As it should be easer for Knicks supporters to let go of the past and look forward to a new season. Reading the absolute negativism of crybabies like Mitch Lawrence who swears the Knicks will lose is the height of journalism fakery.

No way does woody improve, last playoffs proved he is same coach as in Atlanta- Ironwilgiroud

Really?

The Knicks have no leaders, compelling players, followable basketball story lines or likeable dudes. Forget Beno Uhrih, Isaiah Thomas is lurking behind every corner. It is all too much.

Foosballknick is correct. "All of the threads all summer long have finally worn me down and convinced me to contact the league office and petition that the Knicks not be allowed to even play this year out of pure ineptitude and evil that the Knicks emanate which will only cause the Knick fan base to eventually internally combust and will also only serve to rub off negatively on other teams."

Sheesh

A lot of people on internet fan forums, regardless of the subject (TV, music, sports) seem to love to despair and post all negative stuff all year round. Usually they are the most frequent posters. Not sure why people enjoy torturing themselves, but then again I followed the Knicks in the IT era, so I can't really complain!

Really?

Perhaps you can ponder this, podnuh.

“I think you can play a big lineup with what we’ve got, as well as ’Melo at [power forward], where he’s been very good at it. So I’m going to have some options this year. ... A guy who could stretch it like Bargnani, as well as post it and put the ball down, that helps you.” - Mike Woodson

5. Will Mike Woodson stay weird?

"This season, Woodson still owns the resources to play small and loose. Prigioni is back and Udrih is in to replace Jason Kidd, so point guard tandems can still happen. The option to play natural two-guards at the three remains, though new forward alternatives like World Peace and Bargnani may provide enough shooting to let Melo behave like a four again on offense while allowing for cross-matches as needed on defense.

Is the above what Woodson wants? Will he lean harder on what made the Knicks extreme and unusual (and ultimately pretty successful), or will he strike for a more balanced, traditional approach? Or does the best course lie somewhere in between, with true "twos" like Shump and Smith aiming to distribute more or Melo disguised as a "three" when the "fours" beside him just hang out behind the arc? Play small, or play regular-sized and merely behave small? Or just normalize things completely?

I guess I just responded to my own question by repeating the question a lot, but I don't have an answer. I'm waiting to see what Woodson does."

- Seth Rosenthal

I'm waiting to see what Woodson does.

If you can't post without whining, why post?
If you have to constantly revalidate why you're a fan, why are you posting on a fan site?
If all you have is the standard /sneer at homerism/You pathetic Dolan minion/You mindless Melo suckah/all gold is fools gold/Why can't we follow some other model/why can't we be the 90's Bulls/Current Heat/2000 Spurs/OKC why aren't you spending your typing angst on RealGM or some generic NBA board?

Consider a 12 step program.

Realizing you have a worldview problem is the first step to realizing you just might be in the wrong classroom.

jrodmc wrote:So you probably are a Somber if you...

If you can't post without whining, why post?
If you have to constantly revalidate why you're a fan, why are you posting on a fan site?
If all you have is the standard /sneer at homerism/You pathetic Dolan minion/You mindless Melo suckah/all gold is fools gold/Why can't we follow some other model/why can't we be the 90's Bulls/Current Heat/2000 Spurs/OKC why aren't you spending your typing angst on RealGM or some generic NBA board?

Consider a 12 step program.

Realizing you have a worldview problem is the first step to realizing you just might be in the wrong classroom.

Vmart wrote:The Knicks and fresh outlook are synonymous to the point where it has become tedious. Championship aspirations to me is a fresh outlook and that went out the window when Amare became lame. The Knicks don't have one player that is a pusher, the player that gets other players to play at a higher level and focus on one goal and that is championship at any cost.

After 40 years of no championships playoffs be damned. Only championships are going to praised. From top to bottom this organization has set a low standard for itself, and as a fan I have to look for a F'ing fresh outlook. Nothing on this team screams championship you have Melo and that's it and he has so many faults in his game. First pick bust in Bargani, Amare who is done, JR Smith a drug addict loony who will let everyone down the first chance he gets. This is your fresh outlook.

I don't subscribe to the 'championship or it's meaningless' philosophy. I loved those 90s Knicks. For me it's about competing, putting in maximum effort and just being worth watching. I'm not a fan of this championship entitlement mentality among Knick fans- we don't deserve more than fans of any other team just because the team plays in NY.

It's not just about the end result for me, the journey is just as important.

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Vmart wrote:The Knicks and fresh outlook are synonymous to the point where it has become tedious. Championship aspirations to me is a fresh outlook and that went out the window when Amare became lame. The Knicks don't have one player that is a pusher, the player that gets other players to play at a higher level and focus on one goal and that is championship at any cost.

After 40 years of no championships playoffs be damned. Only championships are going to praised. From top to bottom this organization has set a low standard for itself, and as a fan I have to look for a F'ing fresh outlook. Nothing on this team screams championship you have Melo and that's it and he has so many faults in his game. First pick bust in Bargani, Amare who is done, JR Smith a drug addict loony who will let everyone down the first chance he gets. This is your fresh outlook.

I don't subscribe to the 'championship or it's meaningless' philosophy. I loved those 90s Knicks. For me it's about competing, putting in maximum effort and just being worth watching. I'm not a fan of this championship entitlement mentality among Knick fans- we don't deserve more than fans of any other team just because the team plays in NY.

It's not just about the end result for me, the journey is just as important.

I'd agree with that if, by "compete," you mean compete for a championship - not necessarily winning but at least competing for one.
You should always either be competing for one or rebuilding towards a team that can compete for one.

exactly, i agree and there should be nothing else to consider here.. I just don't think the knicks are doing either one, and that is my problem..

I personally feel this team built around Melo has given us some real effort. It's a flawed team with flawed players, but that's what the Knicks have been like for years even back to the glory days of the 90's. Still there is a lot this team can do and we should enjoy what this team does well. We haven't seen a 50+ win team in a long time and still fans are bitching like it's a team full of scrubs. This team had a lot of exciting wins last year. If they were deeper and healthier they would've gone further IMO. Now this year it looks like this team will be deeper and have a chance to be healthy. We have to hope that we can catch a break and stay healthy for a change.

nixluva wrote:I just find it insane that so many Knick fans can't find any love for this roster. I think it's because of how it was put together. In the 90's the team had a more organic core with Ewing in the middle. The guys they picked up and traded for were accepted much more readily. Now because we had the signing of STAT and he has succumb to his knee problems as expected and the trade for Melo was so controversial, there is no core to this team that people love like Ewing (even tho fans had issues with Ewing too).

I personally feel this team built around Melo has given us some real effort. It's a flawed team with flawed players, but that's what the Knicks have been like for years even back to the glory days of the 90's. Still there is a lot this team can do and we should enjoy what this team does well. We haven't seen a 50+ win team in a long time and still fans are bitching like it's a team full of scrubs. This team had a lot of exciting wins last year. If they were deeper and healthier they would've gone further IMO. Now this year it looks like this team will be deeper and have a chance to be healthy. We have to hope that we can catch a break and stay healthy for a change.