jrodmc wrote:NardDogNation wrote:jrodmc wrote:NardDogNation wrote:jrodmc wrote:Open Letter to the Obamanites here in this thread:Nice of you to ask us stupid ignorant conservative Republicans to fix the debt problem. We are so very glad. Perhaps the POTUS might care to help?
For the record, I do not support or follow the Tea Party. Taxation is such a minimal issue, anyway. If our new caesar wants to spend another 4 or five terms taxing us into oblivion, I'm sure he knows what he's doing. He went to Harvard, you know. Render unto caesar...
Is $15 trillion in debt really such a bad thing? Is socialized medicine really such a bad thing? Is middle of the road employers cutting hours and hiring more part time help to avoid paying for healthcare for everyone really such a bad thing? Is the fact that generic drug prices are now increasing by thousands of percent over the course of one day really such a bad thing? I'm sure our Potus knew all this was going to happen. It's okay. He knows what he's doing. It's those lousy greedy corporations! Capitalist Republican pigs! By the way, how many inuguration parties does it take to screw in a light bulb? Hey, at least those unemployment numbers are going down, huh? And the Dow is on it's way to 20K!!! Yay!!!
Don't worry, the economy is Bush's fault. The deficit is Bush's fault. Oh, wait, no it's the Tea Party's fault! It's those dayumed Republicans! It's that stupid Pope guy and his anti-gay rhetoric! Stupid fundamentalists! Keep them from voting! Keep them out of the public view! Ban those idiots! Deportation now!
Hyperbole.
Just out of curiosity, how old are you?
Really old. Trust me.
I love how everyone responds to nothing I said. I say taxation is a minimal issue, and I get 4 responses about tax rates.
I see; in order to add to the conversation, I have to just add to the conversation. Positive thinking. I understand now. My POTUS is cool, he plays ball.
Global Warming, check.
Bush Tax Cuts, check.
Obama's not spending anything, check.
Austerity sucks, check.
Bad Bush, Bad Wars, check.
TARP money for everybody, check.
Old stupid people shouldn't be allowed to even post, let alone vote! check.
I knew you were either really old or really young, which is why I inquired about your age. I needed to know how to appropriately engage this conversation. That being said, I still have no idea what to say to you. You're essentially having a conversation with yourself and then expect us to somehow interject. At no point did I suggest that Democrats/liberals have everything figured out as you are implying. I'd be one of the first people to voice my displeasure of both the party and President Obama's policies (abroad and domestically). In the context of this shutdown, however, I think it is very difficult not to put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the Tea Party/Republicans. The intent of this thread, or at least as how I intended it, is to better understand the rationalization for shutting down our government AND bringing our country closer to a recession if the intent is to help Americans. So I'll ask you again, how is it that you can perceive their behavior and this strategy as being acceptable? Please answer that as opposed to drifting off on these tangents that are absent of any real fact.
You should stop at having no idea. That sounded more intelligent than the rest of what you said.
Tangents that have no real facts:
-->We don't have 15 trillion in debt?
-->Obamacare has nothing to do with moving towards socialized medicine?
-->Middle sized employers are not cutting hours and hiring more PT employees to avert having to pay healthcare for everyone at 29 hours a week under Obamacare?
-->I didn't just discuss the price of 4 out of 5 generic drugs going up from $6 for a 90 month supply to $60 for a one month supply with three different pharmacists? Pharma companies are not riding in on the fact that Obamacare is suddenly adding massive amounts of people to the ranks of people buying meds? I worked in Pharma for over 20 years, I know how the buying groups and wholesalers operate. They haven't seen price increases like this in this short of a time span EVER.
You suggested that stupid people shouldn't vote. That was the tangent I was responding to.
-->We don't have 15 trillion in debt?
We're actually closer to $17 trillion in debt. To be perfectly honest, I'm not terribly concerned about the debt as I am about how the money is being spent. It's become apparent that many Americans have forgotten the concept of an investment. It seldom yields immediate returns; the goal, however, is for longer termed windfalls. Unfortunately for us, much of the money has been spent on wars that we didn't have to fight (to the tune of $1 billion per day), with weapons that are grossly overpriced.
Just for perspective, the B-2 stealth bomber ranges in price from anywhere between $737 million-$2.1 billion per unit. When is it that Al-Queda developed an advanced radar/surface-to-air-missle system, to even justify its use? The F-22 Raptor (though never used in combat) and another waste of a weapon, ranges in price from anywhere between $150 million-$500 million per unit. Why do we need this if our F-15's have never even been shot down in a dogfight? And all of this, and we haven't even talked about the overhead fees including maintenance of the aircrafts, training of the pilots, upkeep for the bases and their personnel, etc. Just for perspective, the operating budget for the Department of Education is only $23.4-$56.0 billion and the cost of these aircraft alone, engulfs that several fold.
Our military is a black hole. If this money were actually spent toward building our infrastructure, e.g. better funding for public schools, lowering the cost of college tuition, increased grant donations for scientific research, etc. then the debt wouldn't be so bad because we'd be seeing a return on it through the creation/expansion of industries.
-->Obamacare has nothing to do with moving towards socialized medicine?
I don't know if it does but I certainly hope so. Why wouldn't this be a good thing for all parties? It frees industry of having to provide health insurance for its employees (thereby lowering their overhead aka the same function as cutting taxes for them) AND it opens the doorway to a far more dynamic healthcare system that lowers the cost of treatment by distributing the risk more efficiently. There is a reason why countries like France, England, Sweden, etc. have better ranked systems than ours and they manage to do it with a fraction of the resources. Just for perspective, our expenditures on healthcare for our citizens is the equivalent of France's entire economy, which is the 5th largest in the world.
-->Middle sized employers are not cutting hours and hiring more PT employees to avert having to pay healthcare for everyone at 29 hours a week under Obamacare?
That is a problem that is not unique to the Obama administration. It has been the case for decades, starting around the time of something called "trickle down economics" and our jobs being sent abroad. I wonder what President/party was responsible for that? Fortunately, there has been no correlation between the passing of the Affordable Healthcare Act (AHA) and part-time jobs. After all, companies with less than 50 employees can exempt themselves from the provision, which is just about every small to mid sized business in the country.
-->I didn't just discuss the price of 4 out of 5 generic drugs going up from $6 for a 90 month supply to $60 for a one month supply with three different pharmacists? Pharma companies are not riding in on the fact that Obamacare is suddenly adding massive amounts of people to the ranks of people buying meds? I worked in Pharma for over 20 years, I know how the buying groups and wholesalers operate. They haven't seen price increases like this in this short of a time span EVER.
Aren't you suppose to be the member of a party nuanced in economics? This is simple cost-demand principle. If there is an increased demand, the market place adapts to meet that demand. The more activity by the market, the more competition that ensues. The more competition, the lower the price. Considering that Obamacare has only been partially available, since October 1st, I'm going to go ahead and presume that those prices pre-dated its implementation or is just something you're pulling from Fox News/your ass. In any case, the mandate included in Obamacare will artificially increase demand and catalyze the chain of events I discussed.
You suggested that stupid people shouldn't vote. That was the tangent I was responding to.
Please look up the word "tangent" in a dictionary. Also, please learn the fine art of sticking to an issue. Now that I've answered your questions, tell me
HOW IS IT ACCEPTABLE FOR REPUBLICANS TO SHUTDOWN A GOVERNMENT.
10/8/2013 3:03 PM
