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knickscity
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9/5/2013  10:27 PM


And so it begins.....

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9/5/2013  10:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/5/2013  10:45 PM
Now the young guys break down too?!!?!
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9/5/2013  10:48 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:Now the young guys break down too?!!?!

Quicker than Sheed and Camby, and they were almost twice his age.

Younger dont mean better, folks gonna learn.

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9/5/2013  10:51 PM
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And so it begins.....

That scks while no one said much, I had very high aspirations for him this year--nothing out of the world but I believe he can avg 10 points and 4-5 rebounds in 15-18 minutes like Andray Blatche does. Losing him puts some pressure on us--were going to need another big for the time being this scks scks scks..........

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9/5/2013  11:14 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
knickscity wrote:


And so it begins.....

That scks while no one said much, I had very high aspirations for him this year--nothing out of the world but I believe he can avg 10 points and 4-5 rebounds in 15-18 minutes like Andray Blatche does. Losing him puts some pressure on us--were going to need another big for the time being this scks scks scks..........


Papabear Says

The question is how did he injure himself? How long did the Knicks know about this?

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9/5/2013  11:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/5/2013  11:47 PM
I'm sure he was training and likely felt the discomfort of a stress fracture. It can happen at any time to anyone.

Metatarsal Fracture Explained

Metatarsal fractures are the most common traumatic foot injuries. Broken Metatarsals have been prominent across all professional sports in the past five years, with several high profile athletes suffering Metatarsal fractures. Professional football (soccer) players David Beckham, Wayne Rooney, Ashley Cole and Steve Gerrard have all sustained this foot injury in recent years.

The fifth Metatarsal is divided into four anatomic segments (the base, the junction of the base and the shaft, the shaft, and the neck) and different types of fracture can occur at each segment.
anatomy of the foot

Fractures of the base of the fifth Metatarsal are the most common fifth Metatarsal injuries, and occur as a result of a twisting injury of the foot or ankle. The ankle rolls inward and there is a strong ligament that attaches to the base of the Metatarsal which pulls off a small bone fragment. This type of fracture is invariably treated without surgery, and immediate walking in a removable plastic cast is ideal.

It's probably one of the reasons the Knicks have reached out to so many different bigs. We needed another big anyway and 8-10 weeks isn't going to stop the kid from having a role this year. Tho it will definitely set him back a lot with no training camp.

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9/6/2013  2:44 AM
This knocks us down a peg. I really felt that this guy was going to be a contributor from day 1 even in small spurts. He couldve kept Chandler to 24 minutes and went in with Artest and Kenyon. This is going to take 4 full months 3 months from healing and 1 month recovery to play full court and pick up rhythm. So were looking at 40-50 games and he is not part of team chemistry--while some people will poo poo this--say well he was only a project not part of the deal--I think that is false. When I equated the full prognosis of the season--he weighs in and now he weighs out. Time to sign Earl Barron and stop fcking around before someone else does. We can bring in Whitside but I think Barron is the guy for us--he was here--we know he can play given chances hes 7 feet tall--in fact I dont get how he never got a 2-3 year contract in the NBA with his ability to rebound and score some at 7 feet? Sign Barron!!!!
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9/6/2013  5:50 AM
Woodson will never play The Duke of Earl Barron
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9/6/2013  6:16 AM
i dont agree that Tyler or even Hardaway were gonna be a factor this yr. They would only get garbage time minutes.

however i do agree with signing earl barron. im not sold on hadaddi, or alrich. at least earl knows the system

i dont know enough about whiteside except that he looks tall and skinny

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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9/6/2013  10:00 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/6/2013  10:39 AM
callmened wrote:i dont agree that Tyler or even Hardaway were gonna be a factor this yr. They would only get garbage time minutes.

however i do agree with signing earl barron. im not sold on hadaddi, or alrich. at least earl knows the system

i dont know enough about whiteside except that he looks tall and skinny

I think worst case, Whiteside could be a much better version of Theo Ratliff. Bigger with better skills. Ratliff was the starting C on that 2001 Philly team that went to the Finals where he averaged something like 12/8/4 blks per. Just sayin'... I think the rim protection alone that Whiteside would provide puts him ahead of most guys we're looking at, including Barron possibly. I mean if Whiteside can at least bring shot-blocking and rebounding, those 2 elements alone making him more attractive than Barron (Barron's not a shot-blocker, neither are any of the other bigs we have in place already--Chandler, etc.). We have an opportunity to add this element in a big way with Whiteside...Imagine the defense we could put on the floor with guys like Shumpert, Artest, JR Smith and Toure Murry perhaps on the perimeter, then have this guy Whiteside lurking inside. Imagine playing Chandler/Whiteside together twin-towers where Chandler plays a guy like Hibbert man to man with Whiteside coming weakside to help. Guys like Manute Bol were in this league for their shot-blocking prowess alone. I think Whiteside has much more to offer than Bol did, even right now, green and all..Also, the fact that Melo and to a greater degree Bargnani aren't good individual defenders would be minimized greatly with a rim protector like Whiteside....Then there's the budding scoring instincts he's shown in the past that he may have improved upon in China. For instance, I like this dude's mid-range jumper--it's smooth---looks like he capable of knocking down a 15 footer just like Barron and maybe playing some pick and pop out high. Like Tyler, Whiteside may not have a big role under Woodson either, but I think he could impact the game in more ways than Jeremy Tyler would/could have. That puts him a cut above in my book.

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9/6/2013  10:06 AM
I don't Think Tyler would have gotten much run early in the season. The kid is green.

Stress fractures can happen in so many ways.

I doubt he played more than 10 minutes a game at best. He would be a fouling machine.

Longer term, he has potential.

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9/6/2013  10:25 AM
Nalod wrote:I don't Think Tyler would have gotten much run early in the season. The kid is green.

Stress fractures can happen in so many ways.

I doubt he played more than 10 minutes a game at best. He would be a fouling machine.

Longer term, he has potential.

Agreed.

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9/6/2013  10:48 AM
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ChuckBuck wrote:Now the young guys break down too?!!?!

Quicker than Sheed and Camby, and they were almost twice his age.

Younger dont mean better, folks gonna learn.

I don't think people said younger is better.. injuries happen.... but tend to happen more often as you get older.. do you deny that?

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9/6/2013  11:06 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/6/2013  11:07 AM
callmened wrote:i dont agree that Tyler or even Hardaway were gonna be a factor this yr. They would only get garbage time minutes.

however i do agree with signing earl barron. im not sold on hadaddi, or alrich. at least earl knows the system

i dont know enough about whiteside except that he looks tall and skinny


Tyler probably won't be ready to play in a game until Dec (8 - 10 weeks recovery + a few weeks to get into shape and practice.) A bummer as I liked this kid and his changed, positive, mature attitude he brought into Summer League.

Earl Barron is also my choice for back-up center. Hope he signs with us. That is the 15th spot. I'd also like Toure Murry but he is a guard and we now won't have room for another guard, unless leslie is cut or sent to Europe?

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9/6/2013  11:49 AM
Markji wrote:
callmened wrote:i dont agree that Tyler or even Hardaway were gonna be a factor this yr. They would only get garbage time minutes.

however i do agree with signing earl barron. im not sold on hadaddi, or alrich. at least earl knows the system

i dont know enough about whiteside except that he looks tall and skinny


Tyler probably won't be ready to play in a game until Dec (8 - 10 weeks recovery + a few weeks to get into shape and practice.) A bummer as I liked this kid and his changed, positive, mature attitude he brought into Summer League.

Earl Barron is also my choice for back-up center. Hope he signs with us. That is the 15th spot. I'd also like Toure Murry but he is a guard and we now won't have room for another guard, unless leslie is cut or sent to Europe?

knicks will work something out....

we just gotta be cool cuz in reality this injury doesn't do anything to hurt us...We have Kmart and Amare off the bench. There are injury concerns but we have 2 guys splitting the same minutes off the bench...

Also the Knicks have Bargs who can play the 4 and 5...Metta can play the 3-4....we have fill in players to play before we even look to get Tyler in the game....

So all good in the hood right now....no worries yet

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9/6/2013  12:51 PM
tkf wrote:
knickscity wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Now the young guys break down too?!!?!

Quicker than Sheed and Camby, and they were almost twice his age.

Younger dont mean better, folks gonna learn.

I don't think people said younger is better.. injuries happen.... but tend to happen more often as you get older.. do you deny that?

Tyler and Jr wont suit up when the season starts.

Hardaway was wearing a cast a few weeks ago.

Shump just will hopefully play a full season.

Seems like it wasnt just the old cats.

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9/6/2013  12:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/6/2013  1:01 PM
EnySpree wrote:
Markji wrote:
callmened wrote:i dont agree that Tyler or even Hardaway were gonna be a factor this yr. They would only get garbage time minutes.

however i do agree with signing earl barron. im not sold on hadaddi, or alrich. at least earl knows the system

i dont know enough about whiteside except that he looks tall and skinny


Tyler probably won't be ready to play in a game until Dec (8 - 10 weeks recovery + a few weeks to get into shape and practice.) A bummer as I liked this kid and his changed, positive, mature attitude he brought into Summer League.

Earl Barron is also my choice for back-up center. Hope he signs with us. That is the 15th spot. I'd also like Toure Murry but he is a guard and we now won't have room for another guard, unless leslie is cut or sent to Europe?

knicks will work something out....

we just gotta be cool cuz in reality this injury doesn't do anything to hurt us...We have Kmart and Amare off the bench. There are injury concerns but we have 2 guys splitting the same minutes off the bench...

Also the Knicks have Bargs who can play the 4 and 5...Metta can play the 3-4....we have fill in players to play before we even look to get Tyler in the game....

So all good in the hood right now....no worries yet

Exactly. In the grand scheme of things, it's not a big deal. Tyler has some promise, but to think of him as some primary component at this point is ludicrous. Go out and get a capable backup center that can handle himself in the NBA (Barron) and/or a youngster with even more impact skill & upside than Tyler (Hassan Whiteside, invite Marcus Cousin to camp maybe?)... Plently of good options still out there for a reserve big.

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9/6/2013  1:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/6/2013  1:07 PM
knickscity wrote:
tkf wrote:
knickscity wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Now the young guys break down too?!!?!

Quicker than Sheed and Camby, and they were almost twice his age.

Younger dont mean better, folks gonna learn.

I don't think people said younger is better.. injuries happen.... but tend to happen more often as you get older.. do you deny that?

Tyler and Jr wont suit up when the season starts.

Hardaway was wearing a cast a few weeks ago.

Shump just will hopefully play a full season.

Seems like it wasnt just the old cats.


old cats were no surprise.. almost to be expected.. but honestly, tyler being hurt is not a big deal at all, as I doubt he would have gotten off bench.... with that said, I will continue to advocate building a younger team than an older team... do you not agree?

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9/6/2013  1:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/6/2013  1:30 PM
Not good news by any means, but I don't think this will really impact us much at all. 10 weeks from today puts us at November 8th, when we will be playing our 5th game of the season. Of course I wanted Tyler to get a full training camp in, but he'll still be able to absorb some coaching, and probably be back on the available roster within the 10-15 game mark of the season.

I guess I'm glad this happened in September instead of November (and I'm sure Tyler's thrilled this happened in September instead of July).

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9/6/2013  2:00 PM
MaTT4281 wrote:Not good news by any means, but I don't think this will really impact us much at all. 10 weeks from today puts us at November 8th, when we will be playing our 5th game of the season. Of course I wanted Tyler to get a full training camp in, but he'll still be able to absorb some coaching, and probably be back on the available roster within the 10-15 game mark of the season.

I guess I'm glad this happened in September instead of November (and I'm sure Tyler's thrilled this happened in September instead of July).

I don't even see how he makes the team now. Is Jeremy Tyler honestly worth a roster spot at this point? Worth rehabbing and keeping? Jeremy Tyler?? Really??? They must really see something in this kid if they go that far. I just don't see it.

Tyler out with foot surgery

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