The knicks are going to be doing everything in the power to keep melo.

I personally don't think woodson is a championship caliber coach, and for that he will get fired, but on the other hand most people don't think we have a championship caliber team, and on another hand Melo and Woodson have loosing playoff records.

Woodson has 10 guys who he has to play, but he's an old school coach that can't play more then 9 guys. Melo makes no one better and if he thought last years roster was the best he's ever played with, what is he thinking about the upgraded roster now cause he still played kinda selfish last yr..

I alo don't think Melo is a selfish player, I think players play different when he's on the court, he's such a great scorer, players tend to throw him the rock more then they should and melo will never shy away from shooting. Melo gets the ball even when he's not looking for it.

Woodson has a roster full of guys in there prime, this isn't wallace, camby kt, or suspect brewer you can put on the bench. Beno, smith, metta, amare, melo, Felton, Prig Shump, Tyson, AB, THJ. Thats 11 capable rotation players..which one of those players can you bench?

what is this, his 2nd full season? that's the hot seat season in new york.

don't talk about it WOODY, BE ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I actually like Woodson, if he's gonna play favorites and cater to guys, he should be afforded having guys worth doing that for, which he really doesnt have.

But woody isnt the only one with their feet on fire...Melo is in that boat too.

Gonna be a tough sell trying to get that extension if the team doesnt advance further than where it has.

gunsnewing wrote:My prediction is we will have a brand new team and coach in 2015. Hopefully this time we get the right players and coach

Hopefully after next year the Knicks hire a coach that can coach any style(experienced or a good young coaching mind like Vogel, Thibs & Mark Jackson) that way we don't waste 4yrs trying to revive Phoenix SSOL and then miss out on Lebron.

This year Woody has a better version of last years team. He should be able to guide this team to he ECF's. That's the least he should be held accountable for. Just like last year the plan was to at least make the ECF's and they should be looking at that again. ECF's and a 7 game loss and he stays. This team is built to try and get to the finals, but if they get to a game 7 of the ECF's and losses I think that would save his job.

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:My prediction is we will have a brand new team and coach in 2015. Hopefully this time we get the right players and coach

Hopefully after next year the Knicks hire a coach that can coach any style(experienced or a good young coaching mind like Vogel, Thibs & Mark Jackson) that way we don't waste 4yrs trying to revive Phoenix SSOL and then miss out on Lebron.

WTF? We actually spent 2 years breaking down the roster and half a season playing not SSOL, but a slowed down version of SSOL and then we traded most of that roster for Melo!!! We had a very short spurt of games with Lin where we saw a SSOL style and then it was back to Melo ball after Lin went down. The last 2 years we spent putting a team around Melo that could win. Last year it almost worked, but they went too heavy with the old vets.

This year Woody has a better version of last years team. He should be able to guide this team to he ECF's. That's the least he should be held accountable for. Just like last year the plan was to at least make the ECF's and they should be looking at that again. ECF's and a 7 game loss and he stays. This team is built to try and get to the finals, but if they get to a game 7 of the ECF's and losses I think that would save his job.

If he doesnt make the ECF would YOU get rid of him if you were in charge?

Simple yes or no.

Yes. I think you'd have to. A team built to get to the ECF's that fails to do so 2x would not be good and Woody won't survive that. Of course this is barring a major health problem where we lose key players, but that's always the case.

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:My prediction is we will have a brand new team and coach in 2015. Hopefully this time we get the right players and coach

Hopefully after next year the Knicks hire a coach that can coach any style(experienced or a good young coaching mind like Vogel, Thibs & Mark Jackson) that way we don't waste 4yrs trying to revive Phoenix SSOL and then miss out on Lebron.

WTF? We actually spent 2 years breaking down the roster and half a season playing not SSOL, but a slowed down version of SSOL and then we traded most of that roster for Melo!!! We had a very short spurt of games with Lin where we saw a SSOL style and then it was back to Melo ball after Lin went down. The last 2 years we spent putting a team around Melo that could win. Last year it almost worked, but they went too heavy with the old vets.

This year Woody has a better version of last years team. He should be able to guide this team to he ECF's. That's the least he should be held accountable for. Just like last year the plan was to at least make the ECF's and they should be looking at that again. ECF's and a 7 game loss and he stays. This team is built to try and get to the finals, but if they get to a game 7 of the ECF's and losses I think that would save his job.

If he doesnt make the ECF would YOU get rid of him if you were in charge?

Simple yes or no.

Yes. I think you'd have to. A team built to get to the ECF's that fails to do so 2x would not be good and Woody won't survive that. Of course this is barring a major health problem where we lose key players, but that's always the case.

This team is deep enough to sustain injuries, after melo there's not a huge drop off in talent at no position other the center. And if you use amare for 20 to 25 minutes at back up center where he shines the most. The difference Amare would have made against hibbert if he played would have been priceless..Hibert would have been in foul trouble the whole series..

I think this team is a playoff team without Melo, IMO we have just as good as any team in the league to make the finals..

to me, it's a certainty that woody won't be coaching us next season unless we're in the ecf,

and if he somehow makes it into 14-15 without an ecf in 13-14, he's getting the axe chop mid-season in 14-15

I can understand some fans giving him that 1 last year before the rebuild, but I think Woody would've had 3 playoffs on his record as Knicks coach and if they get knocked out before the ECF's again, I don't see the value of having him come back again. I think he would've proved that he's not the coach to push this team to the next level. He's already shown a reputation for poor playoff performances so far in his career. It's not a very inspiring record. This is his best chance to get the job done.

We've seen Woodson have great regular season performance, but in the playoffs he has looked very bad. This is his best chance to change that and make up for his past poor playoff performances.

gunsnewing wrote:Expecting this team to get past Indy, Chicago and/or Nyets and get to the ECF is not having reasonable expectations. Woodson gets to coach while we complete the era of mediocrity

we're playing with melo, a superstar,

if you're not making ecfs, what are you doing? that's the reality.

what do you want me to do here, be happy with a second round again? you want me to be happy with a second round out?

ecf is letting them off easy if you wanna be real about it, the urgency for a championship should always be there,

we'll ask for ecf and call it a fair deal,

gunsnewing wrote:I thought we'd get to the ecf last year and we weren't even close. This year the East is drastically better and we are only marginally better. Last yr was the yr. We blew it. Bring on 2015

Not even close? We were 2 wins away from the ECF's. You give Melo a couple of guys that can actually make a shot rather than Kidd and JR and they get to game 7 and probably move on to the ECF's, cuz I think the Pacers would've been in shock if we beat them in Indy. Imagine if Hibbert was distracted by having to guard Bargnani rather than sitting int he paint all night waiting for Melo? Imagine Beno in there instead of Kidd. It's really not that far fetched to think this Knicks team could beat any of these teams with more options. This is Woody's best chance to get to the ECF's and perhaps thru to the Finals.