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8/19/2013  2:30 PM
FRESNO, Calif. -- We're in the midst of what is considered the slow time of the NBA offseason. It's a place in time where Ivan Johnson thought he would have had his next stop locked up already.
But he isn't expected to be available past August.

A source close to the power forward informed CSNNW.com that Johnson is issuing NBA teams a two-week deadline to come up with a reasonable offer. If no NBA offer presents itself, Johnson will bite on one of his several overseas offers.

The source who spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of these talks says, “Johnson will be fine either way, as long as he is playing the game of basketball.”

The New York Knicks were one of the NBA teams inquiring about Johnson early on, however they have not reached out at the same regularity, another source told CSNNW.com.

New York is a team Johnson is still interested in even though all they can offer at this point is the veteran's minimum, the source close to Johnson revealed.

Other NBA teams have inquired, and dialogue has occurred, but no offers have been made, said the close source.

Time is running out if a team wishes to keep Johnson in the states. He's at a point where he just wants to find a home for the next year or so. His availability is nearing a close.

Johnson, 29, shoots a career 51.7 percent from the field while averaging 6.5 points, 3.9 rebounds, 0.8 steals in 15.8 minutes per game. He has played all two of his NBA seasons with the Atlanta Hawks. The physical power forward has had stops in the NBA Development League and in Korea prior.

http://www.csnnw.com/nba/source-johnson-giving-nba-two-weeks-come-offer-if-not-overseas

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8/19/2013  2:59 PM
I'd be more than happy w/ him, Hadaddi or even Barron. I know the height issue, but would still love to have him.

The thing about whoever is signed is that he probably won't be the 15th man.

I think Tyler and Leslie are gonna be at the end of the bench and if an injury occurs to any of the bigs (who all are injury prone) this guy might see some major minutes for a stretch of games.

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8/19/2013  4:03 PM
sealy wrote:I'd be more than happy w/ him, Hadaddi or even Barron. I know the height issue, but would still love to have him.

The thing about whoever is signed is that he probably won't be the 15th man.

I think Tyler and Leslie are gonna be at the end of the bench and if an injury occurs to any of the bigs (who all are injury prone) this guy might see some major minutes for a stretch of games.

i agree. I really would like the knicks to sign one of the guys you mentioned.

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8/19/2013  5:29 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
sealy wrote:I'd be more than happy w/ him, Hadaddi or even Barron. I know the height issue, but would still love to have him.

The thing about whoever is signed is that he probably won't be the 15th man.

I think Tyler and Leslie are gonna be at the end of the bench and if an injury occurs to any of the bigs (who all are injury prone) this guy might see some major minutes for a stretch of games.

i agree. I really would like the knicks to sign one of the guys you mentioned.


A frontcourt of Ivan Johnson, Ron Artest and Kenyon Martin would make most players think twice about entering the lane. It would be a throwback to the 90s Knicks for sure.
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8/19/2013  5:31 PM
I wonder why no one wants him.
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8/19/2013  5:45 PM
Knixkik wrote:I wonder why no one wants him.

Cuz he's a goon...nba teams are steering clear of goons in today's game.

Knicks could use this guy just for his take no **** approach. He comes in and plays hard. In practice that helps even if he's at the end of the bench. If woodson wants to make an example out of anyone in the front court they can call ivan in to Fuck **** up and show guys how to play hard

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8/19/2013  6:19 PM
No to Ivan Johnson

Think Haddadi

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8/19/2013  8:13 PM
I'd take Ivan Johnson over Haddadi- he just looks like a gritty, hi energy big who will come in and do the dirty work, grab rebounds and play defense.

Haddadi looks like a really nice center for a euro team - great touch, good hands but no strength and not powerful enough to play non garbage time in the NBA.

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8/19/2013  10:28 PM
Rather have Johnson than Leslie. Johnson is arguably as good as Martin and may be more durable
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8/20/2013  4:38 AM
I think I'd rather play Bargs as our backup center and always have him paired up with a gritty PF- so in this case K-Mart or Ivan. Though that may be risky if Bargs gets injured.

It's a tough call, we have the following players who can play PF: Metta, Amar'e, Bargs, Melo, K-Mart, Tyler

Where as our true center's are only: Tyson & Tyler (who's probably a PF), though we might be able to get away with Amar'e & K-Mart (though do you really trust their health?).

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8/20/2013  10:35 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/20/2013  12:25 PM
meloanyk wrote:Rather have Johnson than Leslie. Johnson is arguably as good as Martin and may be more durable

Agreed. Leslie's a project that's far off from contributing -- nice athleticism with some upside but let's be honest here, he's 3 years away from NBA ball minimum. We might be good enough to play for a chip now -- gonna have to wait and see but on paper, this is as good a team as we've assembled in quite some time... It'd be great if we could stash Leslie in Europe like some have suggested but I don't even know if that's possible. He makes very little sense on this team, no sense occupying a roster spot. Shit, if we want a SF that's very young with promise, Luke Babbitt's out there and he's 10X the player Leslie is.. Back to Ivan Johnson -- here's a guy that's battle tested and ready to go at the NBA level. This dude ain't no goon -- he's a good player!! He's a regular rotation player at the NBA level with his toughness and surprisingly decent skill level (he's a 4 but I still maintain he's got enough skill to play some 3 in the NBA). And I agree he's got more game and more to give than K-Mart at this point. He'd definitely be ahead of K-Mart in my rotation. We don't owe K-mart anything -- Johnson's a better player and should be ahead of him in any NBA rotation. I also think he's got more game than Jeremy Tyler at this point who is, let's be honest again, maybe a little further along than CJ Leslie but pretty far off himself.

At this point -- we probably have enough guard play (sorry Toure Murry) -- find a way to add Ivan Johnson and Earl Barron (who I like better than Hadaddi) TOGETHER for frontcourt insurance and let's roll.

Honestly, if they wanted to max opportunity on what's left to chose from (considering player skill level/readiness to contribute at the NBA level and team need) -- I'd cut Leslie and Tyler (we wouldn't we cutting Dominique Wilkins and Karl Malone here -- the chances of these 2 players turning into those 2 are so remote it's not even funny) and with a total of 3 open spots, sign Luke Babbitt, Ivan Johnson AND Earl Barron --OR-- Babbitt, Barron and Toure Murry. That's what I'd do -- will never happen though...And Briggs is right -- no way Chris Smith makes this team. If that happens, I'm gonna hurl. If that happens and we did it to appease JR and get him to sign out of desperation/necessity, I want someone from the Knicks to show me who offered JR more than we did. I don't think he got an offer north of what we offered him, last year neither. If they wanna give Chris Smith an office job, fine, I have no problem with that -- and Chris and pappa Earl should be thankful for that btw -- but no way should he occupy a roster spot. That's just crazy! An NBA roster needs to be reserved for the best players a GM can get his hands on, 1-15, esp. on a team that could very well be on the cusp of something special and needs all the quality depth team mgmt. can get their hands on. Period. Unless the Knicks can make a case that they were backed into a corner and had no choice but to offer something unusual like that in order to cement a deal. Even then I wouldn't do it, I would've been OK with letting JR walk, but at least I can understand it better. I don't think that's the case here at all -- who out there had a concrete deal on the table north of what we offered? Answer: no one!

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8/20/2013  1:36 PM
People went off CJ Leslie quick! Went from steal to bum in a handful of summer league games. I don't think we saw him at his best- looked like he wasn't giving it his all. Obviously if he doesn't learn to up his effort, he'll be out of the league in a year or two. Hopefully he figures it out.
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8/20/2013  2:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/20/2013  2:15 PM
smackeddog wrote:People went off CJ Leslie quick! Went from steal to bum in a handful of summer league games. I don't think we saw him at his best- looked like he wasn't giving it his all. Obviously if he doesn't learn to up his effort, he'll be out of the league in a year or two. Hopefully he figures it out.

Yeah, a shoddy, underwhelming SL performance will make people feel that way. Not saying he's a bum btw, only that he's pretty far off from contributing at the NBA level. Simple for me -- a win-now team, esp. one that has quite a few players that have broken down in the past, needs a deep roster filled with players that can contribute now..I mean you're saying he wasn't giving it his all -- not sure if it's that, he was hurt (forgot the injury but whatever it was, I think it kept him out of the draft Combine if I'm not mistaken--was it still lingering?) or is it a fact that he's just not that good a player? Regardless, my point is there may be better choices out there. For one, Luke Babbitt's out there and he's a much better option at that position--a player with more skill and NBA experience than CAN contribute at this level. Apples and oranges...And like Leslie, Babbitt's still very young so youth/upside isn't a factor here comparing the two...Babbitt in a landslide here for me -- not even close... So far nobody's signed Babbitt which makes me believe he could be had on a vet minimum deal. I just wanna see the Knicks make good decisions, the best they can possibly make, even for the last few roster spots..

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8/20/2013  4:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/20/2013  4:10 PM
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Knixkik wrote:I wonder why no one wants him.

Cuz he's a goon...nba teams are steering clear of goons in today's game.

Knicks could use this guy just for his take no **** approach. He comes in and plays hard. In practice that helps even if he's at the end of the bench. If woodson wants to make an example out of anyone in the front court they can call ivan in to Fuck **** up and show guys how to play hard


This isn't hockey he may wind up losing more money in fines( GOONING) than his actual salary . LOL It's the NBA = No Bullying Association

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8/20/2013  4:38 PM
Finestrg wrote: So far nobody's signed Babbitt which makes me believe he could be had on a vet minimum deal. I just wanna see the Knicks make good decisions, the best they can possibly make, even for the last few roster spots..

That is more of a reason not to sign him, I would rather develop a player then try to recycle one when neither will likely never play this season.

The knicks have a log jam at pretty much every position.

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8/20/2013  6:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/20/2013  7:03 PM
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Finestrg wrote: So far nobody's signed Babbitt which makes me believe he could be had on a vet minimum deal. I just wanna see the Knicks make good decisions, the best they can possibly make, even for the last few roster spots..

That is more of a reason not to sign him, I would rather develop a player then try to recycle one when neither will likely never play this season.

The knicks have a log jam at pretty much every position.

I think if anything, we could use another young piece at SF -- Artest is closing in on retirement; Melo's at his peak (if he hasn't peaked already which is more likely) and may not even be here past his current contract (I doubt it but we need to concede that possibility); we lost Novak and his deadly shooting at the 3 (I understand we picked up Bargnani but Bargs isn't a SF) -- I think Babbitt makes a lot of sense, more than Leslie. If we ever lost Artest and/or Melo for a stretch, it'd be nice to have a SF of Babbitt's caliber to step in and perform/produce (Leslie would be lost in that scenario -- nowhere near ready enough to step in and play major rotation minutes). Babbitt's still very young too -- he's got a lot of game right now and still there's room for improvement with years of productive NBA play ahead of him. I think it's clear Babbitt has a better chance of having a more productive, fruitful career compared to CJ Leslie...This kid has only gotten 11 mins a game so far in Portland for his career. What's he supposed to do with that?? Can't judge him or any NBA player for that matter off limited P/T like that...The few times he's gotten extended burn he's performed well. He was GREAT at Nevada, showing a broad, well-developed skill set, and equally good in the D-League when Portland sent him down. Always plays hard (and smart too) which conversely has always been a knock on Leslie...He's several steps ahead of Leslie game & development-wise and there's much more to come. The man's flat out a better basketball player than CJ Leslie and is worth taking a chance on imo. I'd sign this kid to a 2 year deal which would put us in a position to re-up him for year 3 at the early Bird rate, which isn't the moon but still a pretty substantial raise over a league minimum deal. I think that may be attractive enough to lure Babbitt here.

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8/21/2013  4:13 AM
this is exactly the type of guy we need,

haddadi is the better player but ivan johnson is the better ruffian, and we need that ugly man on the hardwoods

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