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EnySpree
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8/12/2013  9:28 AM
Tyson and Felton for Humphies and Brandon Bass.... then sign Bobby Brown before the 15th....

We don't lose rebounding and not much defense Humphies numbers proved that. We still can run pick and rolls but Kris can actually hit the jumper and finish with something other than a dunk. Bargnani becomes the center pulling opposing centers out the paint. Melo is back to the 3.

Brandon Bass would be great as that extra big. Amare can fill in at center. Metta is in the mix too at the 3/4. Kmart in the mix at 4/5.

Beno starts with Jr....
Sign Bobby Brown and play Shump of the bench.

Then we go to war.

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8/12/2013  9:36 AM
A starting center who rebounds like a shooting guard?
EnySpree
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8/12/2013  10:57 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:A starting center who rebounds like a shooting guard?

And scores like a nba player. We still get a big man that rebounds just add well if not better than Tyson

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8/12/2013  11:07 AM
EnySpree wrote:Tyson and Felton for Humphies and Brandon Bass.... then sign Bobby Brown before the 15th....

We don't lose rebounding and not much defense Humphies numbers proved that. We still can run pick and rolls but Kris can actually hit the jumper and finish with something other than a dunk. Bargnani becomes the center pulling opposing centers out the paint. Melo is back to the 3.

Brandon Bass would be great as that extra big. Amare can fill in at center. Metta is in the mix too at the 3/4. Kmart in the mix at 4/5.

Beno starts with Jr....
Sign Bobby Brown and play Shump of the bench.

Then we go to war.

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WOW --- WOW --- WOW --- what an awful trade.

You just traded our starting center and PG for 2 scrub PF's that shouldn't wouldn't play ahead of BARGS/STAT.

So post your trade we don't have center - we have 6 or 7 PFs -- (Humph, Bass, STAT, BARGs, KMART, Tyler, CJ) and we have to push either Prig or Beno into a starting role.

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8/12/2013  12:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/12/2013  12:32 PM
Only if you believe that Tyson is that good. He's already proven time and again that he is a phony. Bargs played center before alongside bosh. Kris Humphies is tougher than Tyson. And the dude was 13/10 when he gets starters minutes.

Felton isn't even a starting pg if you ask woodson that's why Priggy started kat year and was a priority to resign. Plus Beno is hear for that same reason.

Bass is just as good if not better than Ivan and Kris is expires

So wow wow wow these nuts....

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8/12/2013  12:38 PM
Not feeling this trade. Tyson has his faults, but the leadership and help he provides on defense is a necessity with the way this line up is constructed. Plus, I'd like to see us get bigger not smaller. Hump doesn't protect the rim and his mental toughness is suspect. Bass is OK I guess, but we have enough undersized position players.
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8/12/2013  12:42 PM
+1. Terrible trade. Remember, Humphries lost his job to Reggie Evans, the quintessential 1-dimensional player.

LivingLegend wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Tyson and Felton for Humphies and Brandon Bass.... then sign Bobby Brown before the 15th....

We don't lose rebounding and not much defense Humphies numbers proved that. We still can run pick and rolls but Kris can actually hit the jumper and finish with something other than a dunk. Bargnani becomes the center pulling opposing centers out the paint. Melo is back to the 3.

Brandon Bass would be great as that extra big. Amare can fill in at center. Metta is in the mix too at the 3/4. Kmart in the mix at 4/5.

Beno starts with Jr....
Sign Bobby Brown and play Shump of the bench.

Then we go to war.

Thoughts

WOW --- WOW --- WOW --- what an awful trade.

You just traded our starting center and PG for 2 scrub PF's that shouldn't wouldn't play ahead of BARGS/STAT.

So post your trade we don't have center - we have 6 or 7 PFs -- (Humph, Bass, STAT, BARGs, KMART, Tyler, CJ) and we have to push either Prig or Beno into a starting role.

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8/12/2013  1:02 PM
EnySpree wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:A starting center who rebounds like a shooting guard?

And scores like a nba player. We still get a big man that rebounds just add well if not better than Tyson


Tyson scores double digits per game. Is that not scoring like an NBA center? How many points do you think most centers average?
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8/12/2013  1:06 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:Not feeling this trade. Tyson has his faults, but the leadership and help he provides on defense is a necessity with the way this line up is constructed. Plus, I'd like to see us get bigger not smaller. Hump doesn't protect the rim and his mental toughness is suspect. Bass is OK I guess, but we have enough undersized position players.

Respect.... there's a difference in giving an onion and being a troll.

It's August anyway.... nothing going on except my imagination

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8/12/2013  1:10 PM
Yeeeeeessshh

If it's a wish trade I'd send Chandler and Felton to Indy for Hibbert. Like it or not Chandler's elite at his position; albeit at an endangered species position. Def wouldn't do it for a bunch of role playing undersized PF's.

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8/12/2013  1:14 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:A starting center who in rebounds like a shooting guard?

And scores like a nba player. We still get a big man that rebounds just add well if not better than Tyson


Tyson scores double digits per game. Is that not scoring like an NBA center? How many points do you think most centers average?

Tyson can only dunk and get scrap points and free throws. Can't give him the ball and expect him to score. He's been exposed too often. This last playoff run sealed it for me.

2 dunks a put back and maybe 3 free throws is all good in the regular season. He's not a lock to get 10/10 on the big stage if he was I wouldn't be taking. Plus Tyson has never been a big shot blocker. His effectiveness defensively is a myth.

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8/12/2013  1:23 PM
RicanHavok wrote:Yeeeeeessshh

If it's a wish trade I'd send Chandler and Felton to Indy for Hibbert. Like it or not Chandler's elite at his position; albeit at an endangered species position. Def wouldn't do it for a bunch of role playing undersized PF's.

Elite is overstating.

Hibbert, Noah, Bynum, okafor, monroe, al Jefferson, the kid in Toronto and Orlando, kid in the bucks, hortford, lopez..... you mean to say Tyson is elite and the rest of these guys aren't? Sane numbers in season.

Leadership is debatable because Tyson threw his team under the bus when they needed him against Indiana to the media when he himself was playing horribly.

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8/12/2013  1:25 PM
Last spring I was down for any trade that included Tyson. I can't think of one as of now. Humphries grabbing boards next to Bargs is intriguing and Bass/Metta on LBJ would be awesome.
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8/12/2013  1:31 PM
I agree this trade is not the best but it privides help where we need it, plus early cap relief.

Patrick Ewing is not available for trade so you can't expect Tyson and Felton to bring that. At the same time you dont keep a guy just because he's your only center. Truth is Bargs and Amare can hold that down along with kmart.

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8/12/2013  1:46 PM
EnySpree wrote:I agree this trade is not the best but it privides help where we need it, plus early cap relief.

Patrick Ewing is not available for trade so you can't expect Tyson and Felton to bring that. At the same time you dont keep a guy just because he's your only center. Truth is Bargs and Amare can hold that down along with kmart.


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8/12/2013  1:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/12/2013  2:01 PM
EnySpree wrote:
RicanHavok wrote:Yeeeeeessshh

If it's a wish trade I'd send Chandler and Felton to Indy for Hibbert. Like it or not Chandler's elite at his position; albeit at an endangered species position. Def wouldn't do it for a bunch of role playing undersized PF's.

Elite is overstating.

Hibbert, Noah, Bynum, okafor, monroe, al Jefferson, the kid in Toronto and Orlando, kid in the bucks, hortford, lopez..... you mean to say Tyson is elite and the rest of these guys aren't? Sane numbers in season.

Leadership is debatable because Tyson threw his team under the bus when they needed him against Indiana to the media when he himself was playing horribly.

How exactly am I meaning to say that? Chandler is tops at his position no matter how you slice it. He has the team and individual accolades to prove it. It's far from an overstatement, you'd be better off pointing out it's only because how weak the Center position is in the NBA.

Your list consists of quite a few guys that would be better suited for the PF position. Monroe will be a PF as he's proven to be soft at the C spot and Drummond will take over there. Okafor is great at playing his role but lacks the intangibles of a Chandler; pretty much all the areas you're downplaying as respects to Chandler. Horford would be much better at PF but is in the list that includes Chandler. You say Chandler doesn't score like a center but Lopez doesn't rebound like a Center and doesn't defend his position well.

Chandler is one of the better defensive centers in the league and his best asset aside from his length and mobility is how vocal he is on that end. It's not a coincidence that the Knicks became a top defensive team when Chandler came on board despite being surrounded by subpar defensive players.

Don't mean to derail the thread so I apologize there. Pretty difficult to read a "wish" trade that makes your favorite team worse and keep it moving

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8/12/2013  2:37 PM
Chandler is seemingly under appreciated by many NYK fans. Think people forget what the center position was like before he came here. He was DPOY a year ago for a reason, he has length that matters along with lateral quickness and mobilty that is key to your defensive slides and rotations . Also very efficient around basket despite having no J to speak of. Be nice if he could shoot from short corner and elboes but at least he crashes and converts and has to be attended to. Humps? Im also a NJN fan, he 's a wide body that can rebound but he is mediocre on D at pf and simply cant play center. Has poor lateral movement, poor on flashing and getting back on screens and no length so bigs just shoot over him. Reason why teams scored so many points in paint againsnt us. Him and Evans are just too short to deter despite their solid builds. Humps hesitates on his J and wasted many a Williams pass. Bass has a much more fluid J but he offers even less size on D and boards. I wouldnt consider that trade in the least, both Celts are glorified bench players and somewhat redundant to themseves. Make the Knicks much worse
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8/12/2013  2:48 PM
btw, if Knicks were looking to upgrade in frontcourt then my wish would be to go after Alridge dangling Tyson. Have to add Shumpert at a mininum to that offer but at least there you are talking about acquiring a talented big that could play with Melo and Bargs/Amare, one who not only can score and board but also defend well
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8/12/2013  3:01 PM
bernard wrote:+1. Terrible trade. Remember, Humphries lost his job to Reggie Evans, the quintessential 1-dimensional player.

LivingLegend wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Tyson and Felton for Humphies and Brandon Bass.... then sign Bobby Brown before the 15th....

We don't lose rebounding and not much defense Humphies numbers proved that. We still can run pick and rolls but Kris can actually hit the jumper and finish with something other than a dunk. Bargnani becomes the center pulling opposing centers out the paint. Melo is back to the 3.

Brandon Bass would be great as that extra big. Amare can fill in at center. Metta is in the mix too at the 3/4. Kmart in the mix at 4/5.

Beno starts with Jr....
Sign Bobby Brown and play Shump of the bench.

Then we go to war.

Thoughts

WOW --- WOW --- WOW --- what an awful trade.

You just traded our starting center and PG for 2 scrub PF's that shouldn't wouldn't play ahead of BARGS/STAT.

So post your trade we don't have center - we have 6 or 7 PFs -- (Humph, Bass, STAT, BARGs, KMART, Tyler, CJ) and we have to push either Prig or Beno into a starting role.

Seriously the guy is a bum. Quintessential example of putting up numbers on terrible teams. This is what happens when you only look at stats

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8/12/2013  3:13 PM
We a bit down on Tyson these days?

Starting center on a 54 game winning team, olympian DPOY with a ring and we now scrapping him?

Wish trade: Any team Rondo goes to that does not play in Manhatten!

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