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8/10/2013  11:20 PM

New York Knicks’ Jeremy Tyler a Cautionary Tale
August 10th, 2013 at 8:00 AM
By Matt Agne
Recently, Knicks 101 reported that the New York Knicks had signed promising big man Jeremy Tyler to a two-year contract. Previously, Tyler's claim to fame was his decision to leave high school and forgo playing college basketball for the chance to play professionally overseas. As is clear by how raw his skills still are and how long it's taken him to get chances on this level, leaving high school early wasn't the wisest decision. Hopefully others use Tyler's story as more of a cautionary tale rather than a blueprint for success.


'PAAG' photo (c) 2009, Hall of Champions - license: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/

Jeremy Tyler is most famous for becoming the first American basketball player to skip his senior year of high school to play professionally overseas. That's right, not only did he skip college to play overseas but he left high school in eleventh grade to do it.

What's worse is his contract with Maccabi Haifa (Israel) was only worth $140,000. That being said, that's not a bad salary for a high school senior. Besides, it wasn't about the money. Not yet. Signing overseas was about learning under professional coaches and cultivating his skills so he could become a top pick in the 2011 NBA Draft.

Instead, Tyler found himself struggling, disliked by teammates and a disappointment to his coach. He quickly went from a can’t-miss prospect into a project. Tylers tenure in Israel only lasted for the 2009-10 season. He then played for Tokyo Apache (Japan) for the 2010-11 season before entering the NBA Draft in 2011. Instead of becoming the top overall pick and shaking David Stern's hand he was taken with the 39th overall pick (second round) by the Charlotte Bobcats and heard his name called by NBA Deputy Commissioner Adam Silver.

He never played a single game with the Bobcats. Instead, a few minutes later that the Bobcats traded his rights to the Golden State Warriors for cash considerations. While he played for the Warriors from 2011-13, he was sent to the Dakota Wizards of the NBA D-League in 2012 and played for the Santa Cruz Warriors of the NBA D-League from 2012-13.

In 2013 Tyler was traded to the Atlanta Hawks for a future second round pick. However, he only played one game for the Hawks. He was then sent pack to the Santa Cruz Warriors for the rest of 2013. After accepting a chance to show his skills on the New York Knicks Summer League team he was given an invite to training camp but the team later decided to sign him to a two-year contract.

That's quite a trek taken to eventually land a minimum contract with his third NBA team. It could easily be argued that instead of leaving high school early Tyler could have used that time to be a child, mature, commit to a college, further his skills, mature even further and develop properly before eventually heading into the NBA.

Seth Davis of FanNation may have put Tyler's story into focus the best out of anyone.

Did [Sonny] Vaccaro ever consider that turning professional and playing overseas at such a young age was not in the best interests of Jeremy's psychological and emotional development? There's more to life than learning the drop step.

Some see Tyler as a power forward. Others see him as a center. What we know his he has a wonderful frame and at 6'10", 260 pounds he has the prototypical body for an NBA power forward. That's where the Knicks see him playing.

During summer league play Tyler showed sound defensive skills, good offensive skills both while facing the basket and with back to the basket and most of all hustle. If he keeps up that kind of play and remains focused and driven there's no reason why the 22 year old shouldn't develop and be able to play at a high level in the NBA.


'SPORTS: Under former NBA coach Bob Hill, Jeremy Tyler matures in Japan' photo (c) 2011, Christopher Johnson - license: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/

That being said, the point is that probably could have been at this point when he entered the NBA in 2011 and perhaps he wouldn't have had such scarce play with the Warriors or been traded to the Hawks.

Arguably the Knicks would have never had a chance to secure his services at all had he developed properly at the high school and college levels before donning an NBA jersey. That draft the Knicks didn't have a pick until number 17 and were lucky enough to select Iman Shumpert.

That's something the franchise doesn't regret at all but with Tyler in mind there were eight players listed at power forward or center at that time. That includes four out of the top five selections. Those were very hot positions in the 2011 NBA Draft. Had Tyler properly developed he certainly could have found himself drafted in the top half of the first round.


'SPORTS: Under former NBA coach Bob Hill, Jeremy Tyler matures in Japan' photo (c) 2011, Christopher Johnson - license: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/

It seems more than obvious that Tyler made a horrible mistake leaving high school early. It's very likely that he had the wrong voices in his ear and the right ones too distant from him. One of Tyler's advisors is Sonny Vaccaro. He's known for his vendetta against the NCAA. He's the same man who helped Brandon Jennings secure a contract in Italy out of high school and forgo college. At the same time, Tyler's parents remained in Southern California while Tyler relocated to Israel. That's a bad combination.

In the end, Tyler may very well may see his dreams come true. That being said, his path to his goals was made harder than it could have been had he developed normally. Remember, Tyler's goals were always lofty. He didn't intend on taking such a long path to the NBA. He was suppose to dominate.

Back in 2009, Pete Thamel of The New York Times reported often late, lazy, boastful and brash Tyler would discuss his life plan.

Tyler still talks openly about retiring with $200 million in the bank after a 15-year N.B.A. career. He also talks about modeling, the documentary being made about him, and how he and his girlfriend, Erin Wright, the daughter of the rapper Eazy-E, will grow up to be an American power couple.

Right now, Tyler's tale has some hope. The New York Knicks see potential in him and are hoping he can be a big part of their future. That being said, his story should be nothing less than a cautionary tale for those thinking the leap to the NBA is an easy one or a forgone conclusion.
http://www.sportsmedia101.com/newyorkknicks/2013/08/10/new-york-knicks-jeremy-tyler-a-cautionary-tale/

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8/11/2013  2:14 AM
In two years we'll have cap room to sign him to a longer term deal and his journey will be the marquee up the street in a broadway show!
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8/11/2013  3:40 AM
I dunno man -- I know he played hard and pretty well in SL but I don't think I would've signed this kid. Terms of the deal haven't been released yet -- I know it was a 2-year deal but probably only a partially guaranteed one we could easily walk away from. This dude showed some flashes but he's raw hamburger, man. I'm not sure I see the high ceiling everbody else does..

I'm not a Facebook guy so can't comment below on Zwerling's lastest blog article about the final roster spot but there are a few comments I really agree with -- 1st, one guy's pushing for Earl Barron for the final spot. Couldn't agree more. Legit 7' backup C who rebounds the ball and can make a mid-range shot (Zwerling commented that he can't shoot -- that's not accurate). 11 & 18 in that only game against the Hawks to close out the season (with no preparation basically and no rest during the game) and he was VERY GOOD his first stint here a couple of years ago. No idea why we're poo-pooing this guy. He should've been inked up already. Makes much more sense than Tyler if you ask me. Chandler ever went down, EB could slide right in and we don't lose much at all.

2nd, someone else mentioned Ivan Johnson as a center and was quickly corrected by another poster -- I agree, the man's not a center. He's a mobile 4 that might even be able to play a little 3 at times. He can play 5 but he'd be giving up too much height. Agree on this point too. Still like him though.

3rd point I tend to agree with -- someone else mentioned Luke Babbitt over CJ Leslie. That makes a lot of sense. Babbitt's much further along as a player with better skills. Not sure if Babbitt would be willing to come here though.

Just my 2 cents again on the final spot(s):

• If they intend to keep Tyler and there's only 1 spot remaining: I'd go with Earl Barron. I want legit C/rebounding insurance for Chandler. It's one of the only things missing.
• If they cut Tyler and opened up another spot (2 open total): Barron and DJ White/Ivan Johnson. Just like Babbitt over Leslie, I feel White & Johnson are both better options over Jeremy Tyler. Both PF have better overall skills and are more capable of filling in and producing at the NBA level if need be.
• If they cut both Tyler and Leslie (3 spots open total): Barron, White/Johnson and Luke Babbitt.

• Honorable mention: Ovidijus Galdikas. 7'2" C with agility, quickness and some skills. He's intriguing.

These are the guys I'd like to see us zero in on.

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8/11/2013  3:50 AM
Tyler has 1st rd talent and I really think it was the best thing to sign him at this point. He's going to "get it" at some point real soon. He just has that look of a player that is close to putting it together. If the Knicks coaching staff can really get thru to him, there's no reason he can't be a very good NBA player. He's got all the tools already. Putting them to use in a better way on the NBA level is the next step for him. The game will eventually slow down for him as will his mental state as he matures.
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8/11/2013  4:04 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/11/2013  4:05 AM
nixluva wrote:Tyler has 1st rd talent and I really think it was the best thing to sign him at this point. He's going to "get it" at some point real soon. He just has that look of a player that is close to putting it together. If the Knicks coaching staff can really get thru to him, there's no reason he can't be a very good NBA player. He's got all the tools already. Putting them to use in a better way on the NBA level is the next step for him. The game will eventually slow down for him as will his mental state as he matures.

There's size, strength and some talent, absolutely, but I don't see obvious 1st round talent here. Don't see how he's a better C option/better Ty Chandler insurance plan over Earl Barron (on a win-now club mind you -- another point I fully agree with from the poster pushing for Barron at the bottom of Zwerling's article) and don't see how he's a better PF option over DJ White or Ivan Johnson. These guys have better skill level and a better track record...Heck, I don't know anything about this kid Galdikas at all but after sitting through 13+ mins of video, that kid might even make more sense for a roster spot. Just my humble opinion..

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8/11/2013  5:45 AM
Before the Knicks signed Tyler fans were crying about how they shouldn't let him go. Now he's here and we should have signed Barron or dj white?

The Knicks are definitely a win now team. Having Tyler in that environment is great for his development. The end. The will always be other prospects. The Knicks have a good one with high up side. Dude might become a starter for us in 2 years. Knicks didn't make a bad decision here.

Earl Barron should definitely be considered for that last spot. Jerome Jordan should be the guy with the contact but he refused to show it on the nba court.

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8/11/2013  8:09 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/11/2013  8:14 AM
EnySpree wrote:Before the Knicks signed Tyler fans were crying about how they shouldn't let him go. Now he's here and we should have signed Barron or dj white?

The Knicks are definitely a win now team. Having Tyler in that environment is great for his development. The end. The will always be other prospects. The Knicks have a good one with high up side. Dude might become a starter for us in 2 years. Knicks didn't make a bad decision here.

Earl Barron should definitely be considered for that last spot. Jerome Jordan should be the guy with the contact but he refused to show it on the nba court.

For the record I was NEVER a proponent of signing Jeremy Tyler even back when AnibusADL or whatever used to talk about him. Just don't see it...And believe me -- I usually prefer and gravitate toward the younger player. Just not this one.. Not a good fit on a win-now team that could use one more big or two, and not when there are better options available. That's my logic -- never talked about him as a big-time prospect before, prefer better players now... He's a step up from raw hamburger. DJ White and Ivan Johnson are marinated flank steak by comparison.

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8/11/2013  8:24 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/11/2013  8:26 AM
Finestrg - rather than hammering away at what you would have done with Jeremy Tyler, why not allow him the opportunity to get though his first Knicks training camp?

How can you determine the type of fit Tyler would be in advance?

would you have ever signed Jeremy Lin?

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8/11/2013  8:29 AM
Jeremy tyler is simply a young kid with potential. no more no less. i dont expect him to get much playing time this yr. he (and hardway) will make an impact the following yr

CJ sucks.

Im a big fan of Ivan who could play 5 in a pinch. he brings a toughness. i mentioned before that he reminds me of oakley. i admit thats a stretch but thats who he reminds me of

DJ White is trash. lol. i think thats been proven. at least with tyler i believe their was immaturity and a numbers game but with DJ hes had his chances and hes not that good.

lastly, i think we need a backup DEFENSIVE center. therefore, i dont want earl..i prefer petro. hes had some starters experience and he knows how to play def. as a 15th man. thats not bad...or a chris wilcox

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8/11/2013  8:35 AM
Finestrg wrote:
EnySprsoee wrote:Before the Knicks signed Tyler fans were crying about how they shouldn't let him go. Now he's here and we should have signed Barron or dj white?

The Knicks are definitely a win now team. Having Tyler in that environment is great for his development. The end. The will always be other prospects. The Knicks have a good one with high up side. Dude might become a starter for us in 2 years. Knicks didn't make a bad decision here.

Earl Barron should definitely be considered for that last spot. Jerome Jordan should be the guy with the contact but he refused to show it on the nba court.

For the record I was NEVER a proponent of signing Jeremy Tyler even back when AnibusADL or whatever used to talk about him. Just don't see it...And believe me -- I usually prefer and gravitate toward the younger player. Just not this one.. Not a good fit on a win-now team that could use one more big or two, and not when there are better options available. That's my logic -- never talked about him as a big-time prospect before, prefer better players now... He's a step up from raw hamburger. DJ White and Ivan Johnson are marinated flank steak by comparison.

Knicks still have one more spot. Los like they are waiting for guys to make a decision. Beno said the Knicks contacted him on day one. Who's to say Ivan wasn't contacted as well.

This DJ White kid looks like a nice pick up but there are 30 nba teams. Can't bash the Knicks for giving the kid a shot. Jeremy earned that shot in summer league with us. It's not like he came off the street. The ceiling with Jeremy is as high as any prospect his age. It's not like the Knicks invested the franchise.

Knicks are in good shape anyway. We still have that slot to sign someone. It's all good in the hood

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8/11/2013  8:44 AM
CJ

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8/11/2013  11:26 AM
Tyler is a good pick-up. Have to give him a chance and also some good coaching. He looks like he has grown-up and will work hard to develop his game.He has the potential.

For the 15th spot we do need a back-up center. Earl Barron looks fine. Not sure why he can't land a spot on a NBA team?

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8/11/2013  1:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/11/2013  1:12 PM
I would feel awful. Lol

But "suck" is a relative term. Cuz he would kick my ass in one on one

I can rephrase it for ya. Hes "not good". This is a business and a win now team. At least tyler could be useful in practice when they scrimmage. I really hope he doesnt make the team and steal a valuable apot. Go to DLeague get a jumper and gain 30lbs. The reality is he isnt ready yet

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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8/11/2013  2:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/11/2013  3:07 PM
callmened wrote:I would feel awful. Lol

But "suck" is a relative term. Cuz he would kick my ass in one on one

I can rephrase it for ya. Hes "not good". This is a business and a win now team. At least tyler could be useful in practice when they scrimmage. I really hope he doesnt make the team and steal a valuable apot. Go to DLeague get a jumper and gain 30lbs. The reality is he isnt ready yet

I tend to agree with this sentiment -- all in favor of adding a youngster, always have been, but with this particular team, he's got to be a guy that's ready to contribute at this level. With how this team's been built up suddenly and considering what the expectations are, I'm not feeling any projects anymore. Things are different now. We've suddenly evolved into a legit contender, at least on paper. A team that's clearly better than last year's 54-win club...This ain't the Knicks of several years ago under D'Antoni where you say, 'OK F it, we're not even close--let's give Landry Fields a try and see if he can perform at this level.' THJ, even though he wasn't the guy I wanted in this draft, fits that bill more or less. I think he could produce right away -- driving the ball, hit some 3s...Even a guy like Toure Murry looks ready for NBA action pretty much -- too bad we have enough in the backcourt, esp. now with Beno, because Murry can play -- 6'5" combo guard, excellent defensive skills, pretty good looking scorer, good handle, able passer. That kid's pretty far along skill-wise... I just don't feel the same way about Tyler and to a lesser degree Leslie.

The idea should be to put the best Goddamn team out there 1-15. The goal should be to look at all 5 positions and make damn sure there's enough depth to withstand any injury and enough depth in all the important categories -- scoring, rebounding, defense, solid play at the point, 3-pt shooting, etc... We're too damn close now not to look at things this way imo...I want guys that can fill in and produce at this level now. Not trying to trash Jeremy Tyler -- probably too harsh calling him "raw hamburger." I admitted to Nixluva that there are things to like with Tyler: his size & his hustle during SL, etc.. I just feel there are better options available to round out this roster. Chandler, STAT, AB have all missed games in recent years. K-Mart is up there in years now and not the same player he once was. I want another big or two that can fill in and produce at this level w/o having to feel his way and feel overwhelmed...Don't know what to tell some of ya -- DJ White and Ivan Johnson are both better basketball players and better potential frontcourt fill-ins than Jeremy Tyler. Luke Babbitt is a better player than CJ Leslie and makes a hell of a lot more sense if we could ever get him. Night and day difference in skill-level and NBA readiness...I'll just have to agree to disagree with some of you guys on this. No biggie.

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8/11/2013  3:15 PM
I think by mid-season you will see Tyler playing and making a good contribution to this team. We need his size - he is 6'10" or 11" depending on which webpage you look at and weighs 260 lbs. Not sure Ned why you want him to gain 30 more pounds?? And for a guy that big he moves really well.
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8/11/2013  4:03 PM
if CJ or tyler end up playing major minutes for us, we're in trouble.

Look at the top 9 guys on the roster - assuming they are healthy, they are getting all the minutes available.

I like us adding this Tyler kid. Who knows, maybe he turns into a legit player.

Big men (e.g., 7 footers) don't typically hit their stride until much later - 26-28 years- he has a long way and could develop.

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