callmened wrote:you still think we have a shot at Udrih?

so far, teams that need decent back ups are: Boston, GSW, Dallas, Memphis, New Orleans, Philly

I think very highly of Udrih (and most left handed PGs since i was one myself). I think he could even start over ray...but def Prigs

TJHardaway has to show me he can play defense first. he got killed vs scrubs in the summer league

im dreading the thought of bargs playing major mins

I'll take it with a grain of salt but Berman's saying we're emerging as the favorites to land Udrih, announcement could come as early as today:

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/knicks_favorite_to_land_pg_udrih_NIbC6CdCekVaBdv59mc8gN?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=Knicks

Gotta love when you wake up in the middle of the night to take a piss, log on quick and get some great news like this! lol. Straight up coup if we can get this guy man. Fingers and toes crossed..

Now that I heard we worked out DJ White, he'd be the extra forward I'd like to see us add. Wouldn't mind that at all..

Last 2 spots:
Beno Udrih
DJ White

Finestrg wrote:
Gotta love when you wake up in the middle of the night to take a piss, log on quick and get some great news like this! lol. Straight up coup if we can get this guy man. Fingers and toes crossed..

Now that I heard we worked out DJ White, he'd be the extra forward I'd like to see us add. Wouldn't mind that at all..

Last 2 spots:
Beno Udrih
DJ White

Did you get out of bed?

Anyway, if they sign Beno fine.... but he's the back up/Spot starter but not the starting 2.

I love a good trade and there is a potential trade here in my opinion but whatever yo

Knicks have too much talent to play these games

Finestrg wrote:

EnySpree wrote:I don't like the idea of Felton and Beno in the backcourt starting Games. That means Shump is going to be misused. Shump should be the starting 2. If you don't want Shump starting at the 2 then he should be traded immediately. Cuz we already have Jr and Hardaway. No need to keep a third shooting guard only to play him at the 3.... the Knicks also have enough talent to cover the 3...

Anyway, if they sign Beno fine.... but he's the back up/Spot starter but not the starting 2.

I love a good trade and there is a potential trade here in my opinion but whatever yo

Knicks have too much talent to play these games

I kind of agree that Shump should be the starting 2 but if that's what it takes to sign Udrih (a guaranteed starting role at SG), I think you give him that. Really doesn't matter who starts when you get right down to it -- PT in general (total minutes logged--Beno should get his fair share at both guard spots, esp. if JR's not ready right away) and finding the right combinations for stretches at a time are the most important issues.

If things ever went south with Beno AND Bobby Brown, a pretty damn good 3rd option out there would be Lester Hudson. Just saw that we worked him out recently...This guy's always been a solid player. Solid combo guard -- he's definitely a scorer first but I think he's got enough ability to swing over and run some point...Kinda reminds me of Bobby Jackson, maybe a little bigger. Regardless of who we add for backcourt depth -- Udrih, Bobby Brown, Lester Hudson, Toure Murry -- it's nice knowing it'll be a quality addition and not some stiff.

Haven't seen much of Lester Hudson but I think Darius Morris should be on the list, quite surprised there haven't been much interest in the league with Morris's combination of size/athleticism and potential

I think we should have 4 PG's/combo guards because Felton/Pablo are not reliable on defense to stay in front of opponents PG's, even Udrih is under average at that department
For those reasons, I think we have to choose 1 spot between

Udrih
Bobby Brown
AJ Price

and 1 spot for a more defensive combo guard

Murry/Morris

Assuming CJ Leslie/Tyler, my opinion, only one of them should, we would have only 3 spot though

I really don't think we should use a roster spot for CJ Leslie if we intend to keep Tyler
I think Tyler is a project that is a nice low risk high reward player that might be able to contribute in about half a year if he works hard to refine his skills and work on his weakness's
And we would still need to add another legit C or solid defensive PF/C
We need at least 1 G and 1 PF/C (preferably a legit Center with size like Haddadi)

If we only use 1 spot for a G, I would not mind adding a F like James Johnson for his defensive abilities or even

Stephen Jackson
Shawnee Williams on a non guaranteed contract

callmened wrote:you still think we have a shot at Udrih?

so far, teams that need decent back ups are: Boston, GSW, Dallas, Memphis, New Orleans, Philly. BTW, all of these teams except for Dallas have about $2.6 mill left from their MLE to sign players

I think very highly of Udrih (and most left handed PGs since i was one myself). I think he could even start over ray...but def Prigs

TJHardaway has to show me he can play defense first. he got killed vs scrubs in the summer league

im dreading the thought of bargs playing major mins

I think your list is a bit off on which teams have a need for a PG. At this point I would assume that Beno is looking for a team that he could make some noise on for next year's contract - mostly likely this year will be a 1-year deal.

Boston: Rondo, Avery.
Dallas: Too many PGs on this team, Devin Harris, Jose Calderon, Shane Larkin.
Philly: got a million PGs and young guys that need playing time. Would he go there to play on what will be a crappy team with Thaddeous, Turner, Hawes, JRichardson?
New Orleans: Jrue Holiday, Tyreke Evans. Lots of small SGs
GSW: Backup to Stephen Curry.
Memphis: I literally think they have like 16 guys on their roster. Would play behind Mike Conley

C Tyson
F Melo
F Bargs
G Shump
G Prigs or Beno

C Kmart/Tyler
F Stoud/?? - Last roster spot (I'd take T.Jennings)
F World Peach/Leslie
G JR Smith/T.Hardaway Jr
G Felton/Brigs or Breno

EnySpree wrote:I just don't like the idea of starting two point guards when they have 3 capable shooting guards on the team...

If you start Priggy and Felton, what do you need Felton for? To shoot? OK so put Shump, JR Smith or Hardaway in....yeah I understand you like to have more than one play maker...that's fine but not when you have 3 capable natural shooting guards on the roster. If they wanna start two point guards then they have to trade someone...The Knicks need the help in the front court.

I'm trade crazy, but Tyson, Felton and Shump could bring us a good player....who? I dunno, but that package can get us something good.

would take a 3rd team to facilitate but I think Pau Gasol is an all round C that fits financially and as a team
a LEGIT 7foot plus as a #2 option, might even have to add a future 2018 pick, while freeing Felton and Iman's 2015 FA commitments and could be a salary dump for tax purposes for next summer

free's up some roster spots too but would be a gamble

Udrih/Pablo/ Murry/Brown/Darius Morris???
JR/Tim Hardway JR
Melo/Artest
AB/Artest/STAT
Gasol/Martin/Tyler

Like Utah for their expirings that they got from GS and would take back Brandon Rush to replace Iman's defense as a G/F

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:I just don't like the idea of starting two point guards when they have 3 capable shooting guards on the team...

If you start Priggy and Felton, what do you need Felton for? To shoot? OK so put Shump, JR Smith or Hardaway in....yeah I understand you like to have more than one play maker...that's fine but not when you have 3 capable natural shooting guards on the roster. If they wanna start two point guards then they have to trade someone...The Knicks need the help in the front court.

I'm trade crazy, but Tyson, Felton and Shump could bring us a good player....who? I dunno, but that package can get us something good.

Perhaps Woody will do it less this year. I think it's a bit of a security blanket for him right now since it worked so well last year. I mean the results are undeniable when you look at the production with the 2 PG's vs just one. Woody will have a chance to play around with some options. I actually think he's got a tough job trying to figure out how he wants to play this. He's got so many more options now.

This is kind of the result of a flawed roster where so many of our players are limited in what they do well. So since Felton isn't a great court vision PG, you add a PG next to him to augment that, but still get the things Felton does well at the same time. For the longest time we have been trying to get JR and Shump to drive more, but Felton doesn't mind driving. So it's just a weird thing. They played Shump at the 3 and it actually was successful. Basically the best part of his offensive game was the 3 and so that role fit him pretty nicely. He's a strong kid and could defend most 3's. The Knicks are just a weird team when you go by traditional positions. I mean Tyson can't post up despite being a 7'er. Almost everywhere you look we have players that can be productive but not in a traditional role. So having Prigs and Beno allows a lot of that to work.

I can dig it....

Still that would mean the Knicks need a trade. You can start Priggy and Felton and have Beno off the bench...that's cool. But JR, Shump and Hardaway need to play....in this scenario only 1 can play...that means at least one guy needs to go.

Trade doesn't have to be that big, but it might need to be if it could snag nice talent in return to a position of need.