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CrushAlot
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7/16/2013  11:01 PM
Smith’s deal covers a maximum of three years, with a total value of $17.95 million, not the four years and $24.5 million that was widely reported, including in The New York Times, last week.

The precise terms were confirmed Tuesday by a rival team executive and a second person with access to the contract. Despite the intense scrutiny of the deal, Knicks General Manager Glen Grunwald made no attempt to correct the erroneous reports during a 16-minute conference call with reporters Tuesday.

The contract calls for Smith to make $5.57 million next season and $5.98 million in 2014-15, with a third-year player option at $6.4 million. It is still a considerable commitment for a player with a checkered career and now a surgically repaired left knee. But Grunwald betrayed no concern on Tuesday.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/sports/basketball/smiths-knee-surgery-does-not-surprise-the-knicks-who-are-investing-less.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0
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7/16/2013  11:13 PM
Good sleuthing. I'm most worried about JR not making the beginning of the season- but I do think he'll play out his contract. Its really a very reasonable deal and I think he may well opt out of year 3...so another potential FA in 2 yrs.
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7/16/2013  11:17 PM
i don't get how people can get on this contract. the rhetoric is unbelievable - $5.57m for a "player with a checkered career and surgically repaired knee" but let's forget he just happened to average 18pts and 5rebs a game last year. i swear, some of these reporters really do think they are holier than thou...
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7/16/2013  11:26 PM
nyk4ever wrote:i don't get how people can get on this contract. the rhetoric is unbelievable - $5.57m for a "player with a checkered career and surgically repaired knee" but let's forget he just happened to average 18pts and 5rebs a game last year. i swear, some of these reporters really do think they are holier than thou...
A lot of posters have been very anti this contract and one of the complaints was that it was 4 years. Hopefully this eases their concerns. Smith signing in my opinion had to happen/
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7/16/2013  11:32 PM
His entertainment value is undenieble.
Not sure if he will be a plus body bbal-wise.
But he makes team more watcable for sure.
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7/16/2013  11:50 PM
Well once again another Knick point of contention turns out to be not as bad as the media and Self Hating Knick fans have been worried about. This was good to hear although I really wasn't that worried about the contract. Unless it turns out that JR can't play at a high level and has to retire or is severely limited, i'm not overly concerned. I think we paid less than market value for him. It's not like he's not expected to play next season. It's yet to be seen how JR heals from this surgery. Until then lets proceed as normal.
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7/16/2013  11:51 PM
It's not a bad contract but I didn't want him taking up any cap space in 2015.
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7/17/2013  12:18 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:It's not a bad contract but I didn't want him taking up any cap space in 2015.

Right now we've got only these contracts on the 2015-16 roster:


Felton - $4.5 mil
Shumpert - $3.8
Hardwawy - $1.3
Smith ? - $6.4 If he opts in.

basically this is nothing to really worry about cap wise. The Knicks can still reboot at that point and chances are that JR won't opt in, but will try to get a longer deal.

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7/17/2013  1:19 AM
This makes a lot of sense for JR. no reason to lock yourself into a 4th year when the Knicks will have his full bird rights after next year.
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7/17/2013  3:34 AM
Superb deal- wonder if the people who were having a nervous breakdown over the 4yrs thing will contribute to this thread...
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7/17/2013  4:15 AM
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:It's not a bad contract but I didn't want him taking up any cap space in 2015.

Right now we've got only these contracts on the 2015-16 roster:


Felton - $4.5 mil
Shumpert - $3.8
Hardwawy - $1.3
Smith ? - $6.4 If he opts in.

basically this is nothing to really worry about cap wise. The Knicks can still reboot at that point and chances are that JR won't opt in, but will try to get a longer deal.


That's $16 mil already (and I thought Shump's cap hold was $7 mil). I'd rather have room for another max contract player at $16 mil and then have vet min players fill out the roster.
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7/17/2013  5:58 AM
Even if it was 4yrs and 24mil and he had knee problems. Jr Smith took less money 2 years in a row to play for the Knicks highly out played his conract and help the Knicks reach 54 wins. To screw him over the way that media reps were saying wouldn't be the right thing to do.
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7/17/2013  6:01 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:It's not a bad contract but I didn't want him taking up any cap space in 2015.

Right now we've got only these contracts on the 2015-16 roster:


Felton - $4.5 mil
Shumpert - $3.8
Hardwawy - $1.3
Smith ? - $6.4 If he opts in.

basically this is nothing to really worry about cap wise. The Knicks can still reboot at that point and chances are that JR won't opt in, but will try to get a longer deal.


That's $16 mil already (and I thought Shump's cap hold was $7 mil). I'd rather have room for another max contract player at $16 mil and then have vet min players fill out the roster.

Felton is a player option and could be moved for a 2nd rd pick. Smith has a play option and could be moved for a 2nd rd pick. Hardaway's 1.3 mil should be a team option by this time as would be moveable. Shumpert if we were dedicated to cap space could be had for a draft pick at the draft before free agency.

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7/17/2013  7:24 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:i don't get how people can get on this contract. the rhetoric is unbelievable - $5.57m for a "player with a checkered career and surgically repaired knee" but let's forget he just happened to average 18pts and 5rebs a game last year. i swear, some of these reporters really do think they are holier than thou...
A lot of posters have been very anti this contract and one of the complaints was that it was 4 years. Hopefully this eases their concerns. Smith signing in my opinion had to happen/

Eases ALL concerns. 2015 is back in order

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7/17/2013  7:34 AM
its really sad that everyone is so focused on 2015. Unless we're getting Lebron at that point, I don't think there is a FA available that could turn this franchise into a championship contender.
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7/17/2013  8:01 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:It's not a bad contract but I didn't want him taking up any cap space in 2015.

Right now we've got only these contracts on the 2015-16 roster:


Felton - $4.5 mil
Shumpert - $3.8
Hardwawy - $1.3
Smith ? - $6.4 If he opts in.

basically this is nothing to really worry about cap wise. The Knicks can still reboot at that point and chances are that JR won't opt in, but will try to get a longer deal.


That's $16 mil already (and I thought Shump's cap hold was $7 mil). I'd rather have room for another max contract player at $16 mil and then have vet min players fill out the roster.

Felton is a player option and could be moved for a 2nd rd pick. Smith has a play option and could be moved for a 2nd rd pick. Hardaway's 1.3 mil should be a team option by this time as would be moveable. Shumpert if we were dedicated to cap space could be had for a draft pick at the draft before free agency.


That depends on how Felton and Smith age but you're probably right that they could be moved for 2nd round picks.
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7/17/2013  8:02 AM
franco12 wrote:its really sad that everyone is so focused on 2015. Unless we're getting Lebron at that point, I don't think there is a FA available that could turn this franchise into a championship contender.

You have to have a long-term outlook. Grab the next 23 year old star like James Harden if Lebron isn't available.
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7/17/2013  8:09 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:It's not a bad contract but I didn't want him taking up any cap space in 2015.

Right now we've got only these contracts on the 2015-16 roster:


Felton - $4.5 mil
Shumpert - $3.8
Hardwawy - $1.3
Smith ? - $6.4 If he opts in.

basically this is nothing to really worry about cap wise. The Knicks can still reboot at that point and chances are that JR won't opt in, but will try to get a longer deal.


That's $16 mil already (and I thought Shump's cap hold was $7 mil). I'd rather have room for another max contract player at $16 mil and then have vet min players fill out the roster.

Felton is a player option and could be moved for a 2nd rd pick. Smith has a play option and could be moved for a 2nd rd pick. Hardaway's 1.3 mil should be a team option by this time as would be moveable. Shumpert if we were dedicated to cap space could be had for a draft pick at the draft before free agency.


That depends on how Felton and Smith age but you're probably right that they could be moved for 2nd round picks.

Yes, the point is not necessarily to have ZERO payroll on the books. The point is to have players that are worth their contracts. As long as players are not overpaid, you can use them in all sorts of deals, and you can have all types of flexiblity. In theory, you could package guys up and do a 3-for-1 deal for another star who doesn't like his situation.

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7/17/2013  8:32 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
franco12 wrote:its really sad that everyone is so focused on 2015. Unless we're getting Lebron at that point, I don't think there is a FA available that could turn this franchise into a championship contender.

You have to have a long-term outlook. Grab the next 23 year old star like James Harden if Lebron isn't available.

The trick is to stop bleeding 1st round picks. Even if the pick is in the 20's, viable talent can be found there. Even a good role player has value and can be built upon. Hopefully, when 2015 rolls around, we'll be on more solid ground.
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7/17/2013  8:59 AM
ah, two years would have been better in my opinion. That way his contract would expire along with Amare and Bargs.
the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
Beck: Smith's deal only for 3 years

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