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nixluva
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7/16/2013  1:58 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/news/20130715/metta-world-peace-to-new-york-knicks/index.html

The goal for the refitted Knicks next season is going to be this simple: To have the last laugh.

They'll be hoping to laugh for a couple of reasons. Having agreed to terms with Metta World Peace on Monday, the usually humorless Knicks are going to have more to smile about in conversation. "I wanted to go to Detroit," he told reporters during his last run as a free agent in 2009, which was five years after the brawl he incited there. Instead he signed with the Lakers, played a crucial role in their Game 7 win in the 2010 NBA Finals, and then was released via amnesty last week.

"I was really ready to go to China and play for Yao [Ming, owner of the Shanghai Sharks]," said World Peace. Previously he had spoken of retiring, playing arena football, becoming a coach or signing with the L.A. Kings. Instead he agreed to return home to New York, and in so doing -- here's another good laugh for New York -- he made the Knicks younger.

World Peace will turn 34 in November, which will make him the third-oldest player in the Knicks' rotation (assuming they re-sign 35-year-old Kenyon Martin, as expected). Age gives the Knicks reason to believe they can ultimately outperform the Nets and emerge as the best NBA team in New York.

It has been a bad summer for the Knicks in terms of headlines, because the Nets' acquisition of three champions from Boston has made them the early frontrunner in America's media capital. The Nets won 49 games last year in spite of putting together a new roster that didn't quite fit, going through two coaches, and then drifting through a first-round playoff loss to depleted Chicago as if having overdosed on the kind of medication one should never take when operating heavy machinery.

The enhanced Nets promise to be a sensational regular-season team next winter. Their passivity will be eclipsed from the opening day of camp by Kevin Garnett, whose hyper-focus in practices and games will change the identity of his new team. "You have to deal with him emotionally, physically, mentally, and then with his talent," said Doc Rivers of Garnett last May after what turned out to be the last game of their six years together in Boston. "He changed our whole way. I can preach it all day, but when you have a guy walking the walk [of] what you're saying, your franchise changes. Every new guy that came in here, even vets -- stars -- who came in, from Shaq on, they had to change a little bit around Kevin."

The arrival of Garnett and Paul Pierce gives the Nets a starting lineup of five All-Stars. With a relatively deep bench and new coach Jason Kidd making a positive impact on point guard Deron Williams, the Nets ought to be able to make up last season's five-game deficit and surpass the Knicks to win the Atlantic next season. For the Knicks, the key response to those occasionally humiliating six months is going to be patience.

Of Brooklyn's top 10 players, a half-dozen are going to be 32 or older next season. Four of them are going to enter the season ranked among the top 13 active players in terms of career minutes. Garnett is going to turn 38 during the second round of the playoffs. Pierce, who has not performed up to his high standard in recent postseasons, will be 36. So will be Jason Terry. Joe Johnson will be a 32-year-old shooting guard with more than 33,000 minutes on his legs entering next season. Andrei Kirilenko, who incited claims of cap violations when he sacrificed millions of dollars in order to play for his fellow Russian, owner Mikhail Prokhorov, is going to be 33, and he has missed at least 15 games in each of his last four NBA seasons.

How in the name of Tim Duncan are all of those elderly Nets going to withstand the long regular season and still have enough energy and good health left in their legs to run with the younger contenders in the East? The list of opponents that can be expected to show more postseason vitality than Brooklyn includes the defending champion Heat, the conference finalist Pacers, the Bulls of Derrick Rose and, yes, the Knicks.

New York will appreciate what Brooklyn is up against, because last season it was the Knicks who were the elders of their city. But that's not true anymore -- gone are Kidd (who was 40 last season), Kurt Thomas (40), Marcus Camby (39) and Rasheed Wallace (38).

The Knicks are going to miss the presence of Kidd, who had something to do with Carmelo Anthony having his best year as a leader. J.R. Smith will be coming off a knee surgery that will sideline him for the next three to four months, and Amare Stoudemire has missed 72 games over the last two years.

Rare photos of Metta World Peace

The Knicks are going to need consistency from injury-prone performers like Stoudemire and Andrea Bargnani (whose arrival enabled the Knicks to survive the departures of Chris Copeland and Steve Novak). There are going to be more than a few times when coach Mike Woodson is going to be happy to not have any hair to pull out of his head as he tries to coach a second unit of World Peace and J.R. Smith.

Otherwise, the Knicks' roster makes sense. Bargnani, the former No. 1 pick of the Raptors, can start as a stretch four who will create space for Anthony to post up and for Tyson Chandler to dive inside for lobs. Bargnani will be 28 next season and Stoudemire will be a 31-year old coming off the bench. World Peace can play both forward positions, and everyone else (apart from 37-year-old backup point guard Pablo Prigioni) is going to be at his peak age or younger.

The Nets may be superior for much or all of the 82 games. But it's a long season, and the younger Knicks will have good reason to focus on the ultimate truth of the NBA -- that it's not how you start, but how you finish.

I find this entirely amazing. The Knicks are now the younger and fresher roster. Despite JR's surgery this team has more youth than the Nets. How will this all translate into the long 82 game season? I'm not so much talking about injury as I am just age taking hold at some point for the older players on the Nets who will have prominent roles. The Knicks were old, but none of those guys were major contributors with the exception of Kidd who Woody overused.

The rush to hype the Nets is fine by me. Let them go ahead once again to hype up the Nets over the Knicks. This is what happened last year as everyone overlooked the talent on the Knicks despite the old bench guys. Kidd was huge at the start of the year, but he wasn't carrying the team. There's a huge difference in roles. It's gonna be real interesting to see how this all turns out.

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7/16/2013  2:45 AM
As old as the Nets are, they still have good depth with Blatche, Kirilenko, Jason Terry as the key bench guys. But if injuries start occurring they could be in deep trouble. Their advantage is that they can keep at least 2 top dogs in the game at different times, so the bench wouldn't be left out there without 2 good scoring options. And of course their finishing 5 is crazy.

Brook
KG
Pierce
Joe Johnson
Deron

with Kirilenko stepping in for whoever is struggling

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7/16/2013  3:44 AM
I think the nets are getting overhyped this offseason- Pierce and KG weren't that good last season and Jason Terry was awful. Didn't realise AK47 was turning 33 (wow- same age as MWP!). One thing I will say is at least all these vets should put a stop to Deron Williams increasingly loser esq attitude- his decline over the past few seasons has been brutal to watch. From tough, hard working winner to lazy, overweight, big ego, whining loser!

Still not sure how that teams going to play together either. Hopefully they don't figure it out!

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7/16/2013  4:03 AM
Nets should be a good team. They'll kill all the weaker teams with sheer overwhelming talent and maturity. Still when they get up against the better teams including the Knicks they'll be facing teams with more youth, quickness and athletic energy. JJ and PP can't guard anybody. Melo is still better than any player on the Nets. The Knicks can support Melo with an improved supporting cast. This team can compete with the Nets and even beat the Nets out for the Atlantic again. We'll see how this all plays out. It's gonna be real intense. We already had issues with the Nets and Celtics and this is like the worst of both all in one.
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7/16/2013  7:40 AM
I still don't get why so many writers like the Nets Roster. Did people NOT see that Garnett and Pierce (pierce more so) were just shells of themselves? Garnett has for years REFUSED to take the amount of shots his coaches have wanted. Not sure how pierce and Johnson will mesh but, I see them either being gassed by April or, an injury or two away from mediocrity.

Anyway, I still think we end up with the better record.

Then there is defense. Pierce can't guard his position anymore, Joe Johnson was never known as a good defender. Their perimeter defense will I expect be total crap. Last but not least, just because it has worked out with Marc Jackson does not mean Kidd will be a good coach. There is far more to coaching than just an awareness of the game. You have to be a bit of a psychologist.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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7/16/2013  7:41 AM

They could be great games!!!

Im looking forward to this!

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7/16/2013  8:32 AM
smackeddog wrote:I think the nets are getting overhyped this offseason- Pierce and KG weren't that good last season and Jason Terry was awful. Didn't realise AK47 was turning 33 (wow- same age as MWP!). One thing I will say is at least all these vets should put a stop to Deron Williams increasingly loser esq attitude- his decline over the past few seasons has been brutal to watch. From tough, hard working winner to lazy, overweight, big ego, whining loser!

Still not sure how that teams going to play together either. Hopefully they don't figure it out!

just fyi: MWP will be 34 in Nov

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7/16/2013  9:16 AM
DurzoBlint wrote:I still don't get why so many writers like the Nets Roster. Did people NOT see that Garnett and Pierce (pierce more so) were just shells of themselves? Garnett has for years REFUSED to take the amount of shots his coaches have wanted. Not sure how pierce and Johnson will mesh but, I see them either being gassed by April or, an injury or two away from mediocrity.

Anyway, I still think we end up with the better record.

Then there is defense. Pierce can't guard his position anymore, Joe Johnson was never known as a good defender. Their perimeter defense will I expect be total crap. Last but not least, just because it has worked out with Marc Jackson does not mean Kidd will be a good coach. There is far more to coaching than just an awareness of the game. You have to be a bit of a psychologist.

Being consistently sober has it's place in coaching as well.

The all star, uberhyped last season's Lakers starting 5 say hello.

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7/16/2013  9:26 AM
Lakes got hyped don't mean a thing going forward.

Its all out there on the court when the time is right.

Go back and see tht Nalod last year thought the Celts were cooked while the rest of the free world had them in 1st place.

But those old dudes without rondo and Allen still made the 7th seed, still played most of the games, and still made the Knicks sweat with vet grit.

Those two if they are cooked can come off the bench for goodness sake because the Nets have a solid starting 5 core without them if they want.

Thats was is not being hyped and why they could be great.

Hype is a funny thing because yah never know how it all comes together.

Lakes were hyped but fired their coach 5 games in and Dwight was basically hurt with back and shoulder. nash never got going and they had to adapt to a knew coach. Excuse? Just reason. Shyt happens.

What can go wrong in Knickland? Melo's shoulder, JR's knee, Bargs elbow and Felton gets over worked. Tyson catches a bug and MWP gets attitude.

Nets, BroPez foot, KG what ever, Pierce sprains his headband, Deron Ankle, AK looks like an old women, and Blatch buys Jayson Williams old house and the ghost of Gus haunts him.

Hype? Its what sells tickets and keeps internet fools like us talking.

Can lakers make playoffs? Can they tank enough to get Wiggens? Does Boston go into full tank mode?

It don't matter because Orlando always wins the lottery.

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7/16/2013  9:26 AM
Hmm. Jason Kidd may be starting the year off suspended for pleading guilty to a DWI... and he may also need a chauffeur with his license also likely suspended. :)

KG should do well taking less shots and being Brook Lopez's wingman - though in spite of not taking shots KG stil needs touches.
Pierce isn't the same player when he doesn't get a lot of touches, but he also proved this past season that he doesn't have the gas in the tank to maintain getting a lot of touches on a consistent basis. And yeah, he's lost a little.

The more I think about it, I think the Nets might be a little bit better than last season. There are a lot of wins to be had in our division - with Philly/Toronto/Boston, so there's plenty of opportunity both both teams to pad their records.

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7/16/2013  9:36 AM
Nalod wrote:Hype? Its what sells tickets and keeps internet fools like us talking.

+1
Always the source of truer words.

Difference is, most all of those bad things went wrong in Knickland anyway (and then some), and we still went further than those who were hyped.
And the only hype we had last season was from the AARP.

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7/16/2013  9:45 AM
"Where Brooklyn At?"

Bring it.

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7/16/2013  9:47 AM
jrodmc wrote:
Nalod wrote:Hype? Its what sells tickets and keeps internet fools like us talking.

+1
Always the source of truer words.

Difference is, most all of those bad things went wrong in Knickland anyway (and then some), and we still went further than those who were hyped.
And the only hype we had last season was from the AARP.

Yep, but really a lot of things went right for us:

Nets never jelled
Boston eroded
We came out hot from the gate
JR was SMOTY
Melo had a great year
Woodson and the Brotherhood of Man (AKA: THE CABIN IN THE WOODS)
Felton was good enough
CopeSanity
RashWeed contributions on and off the court
Coach Kidd

This years team on paper I think should be better but the intangables are too numerous to anticipate OFF PAPER.

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7/16/2013  9:59 AM
The article is fair...

That's why you play the games. On paper the lakers should have won the whole thing. Kobe should have never burned himself out like that cuz they had the team.

Anyway that's why you play the games. I think in paper the knicks got better. They should be able to function and
Win just as much as they did last season.
The knicks added two rotation players to the mix that could start on any team. They have a shot asst adding another, plus done promising young guys to wait their turn in the bench.

We are in good shape

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7/16/2013  10:08 AM
misterearl wrote:"Where Brooklyn At?"

Bring it.

"Is," Mr. Earl. "Where IS Brooklyn at?"

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7/16/2013  10:08 AM
Panos wrote:
misterearl wrote:"Where Brooklyn At?"

Bring it.

"Is," Mr. Earl. "Where IS Brooklyn at?"

lol

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7/16/2013  11:39 AM
We'll see. It should be a good rivalry. The universe conspired to take the most hated elements of the hated Celtics and add them to our rival next door. Now the Knicks added Artest to get Melo's back when KG shoots his mouth off. Should be nasty.
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7/16/2013  11:42 AM
I think the Nets will be better than the Knicks but it should be close.
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7/16/2013  11:49 AM
Wow you are more optimistic than me. I don't think the pieces fit what Woodson is trying to do. Defense will be worse with the addition of Bargnani and a healthier Amare. Melo at the 4 can't defend and rebound. Tyson is old and injury prone. Woodson won't play the young guys for consistent minutes. The vets will break down again at the tail end of the year. And JR will regress both physically and mentally. Felton is not a starting calibur pg on a contending team. Can't run an offense other than dumping th ball to Melo and occasional lobs to tyson and can't defend scrub PGs. Hopefully Murray explodes onto the scene and Woodson is forced to play him
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7/16/2013  12:06 PM
Kidd was placed on interim probation pending speaking to two Suffolk County schools about the dangers of drunken driving.

After Kidd speaks, News 12 Long Island has learned he will be able to change his plea down to driving while impaired.

Kidd’s license remains suspended.


http://longisland.news12.com/news/nets-coach-jason-kidd-pleads-guilty-to-dwi-in-southampton-court-1.5700388?firstfree=yes

It will be interesting to see what Stern does with this.

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