GustavBahler wrote:Nate and Metta on the same team. That would be something to see lol.

And JR

GustavBahler wrote:Nate and Metta on the same team. That would be something to see lol.

Right Metta Nate Kenyon--but they are tough tough guys play well and give swagger these guys are all vets--I cant see shanigans. Woudl this team last year beat Indiana with Metta and Nate? Maybe. I dont like putting so much on JR Smiths back--I dont want him taking 18 shots. We need more offense. Artes and either nate or Brooks would bring balance along with possibly Hardaway Jr. We were number 1 in iso last year and nunbger 30 in transition. We need more ball movement and more scoring balance.

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Artest-- 1 year vet minimum
Aaron Brooks or Nate Robinson 2 years 3.8mm
Kenyon Martin or Tyrus Thomas 1 year vet minimum
Henry Sims 2+1 year rookie salary contract
Dwight Buycks 2+1 rookie minimum salary

Do you think Sims is going to become an NBA player?

Hes an NBA player--we need a Sims look how his body filled out hes 6-11 260 with a 7-4 wingspan and 23 years old. on a 48 min adj basis he was the best passing b ig man in the D league as well. We need that exrta big body. That would also give us

Shumpert
Leslie
Hardaway
Buycks
Sims for the now and the future so we dont lead the cupboard dry in 2 years. The younger guys can help with energy injury problems and especially transition help.

That would leave us at

C-Tyson Chandler
F Andrea Bargani
F Carmelo Anthony
G Iman Shumpert
G Ray Felton

C Amare Studemire
F Kenyon Martin
G JR Smith
F Metta
G Aaron Brooks

in the pen

Simms
Leslie
Hardaway
Buycks
Prigioni

3G4G wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Nate and Metta on the same team. That would be something to see lol.

Right Metta Nate Kenyon--but they are tough tough guys play well and give swagger these guys are all vets--I cant see shanigans. Woudl this team last year beat Indiana with Metta and Nate? Maybe. I dont like putting so much on JR Smiths back--I dont want him taking 18 shots. We need more offense. Artes and either nate or Brooks would bring balance along with possibly Hardaway Jr. We were number 1 in iso last year and nunbger 30 in transition. We need more ball movement and more scoring balance.

This is why I think you're horrible at analyzing a team and often times players in general....

No this team doesn't need more offense. I think out of fear how this team is coached and managed it dictates what you're looking for in a player... instead of looking at how the game should be played in general. If we brought in players that actually filled our biggest needs, it more than likely forces the hand of how we play.

So no I don't want to bring in Nate and Bargnani and Delfino and Martell Webster so it stops Smith and Melo from hoisting up 25fga in a game at 40 PACENT.

What I want is to bring in players like Carl Landry and Luke Ridnour and Earl Clark and DeJaun Blair and Brandan Wright and James Johnson and Beno Udrich who play the game the right way. Who do all the little things the team needs, rebounding, on court direction, toughness, youth, leadership.

Enough with salivating offensive players. If Smith has matured and Melo is really hungry and it's his time, and Shumpert is fully recovered and Paul George squared, and Felton is a heart of bargain, and Bargnani is restored to vigor.... then we don't need anymore offensive players.

3G4G wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Nate and Metta on the same team. That would be something to see lol.

Right Metta Nate Kenyon--but they are tough tough guys play well and give swagger these guys are all vets--I cant see shanigans. Woudl this team last year beat Indiana with Metta and Nate? Maybe. I dont like putting so much on JR Smiths back--I dont want him taking 18 shots. We need more offense. Artes and either nate or Brooks would bring balance along with possibly Hardaway Jr. We were number 1 in iso last year and nunbger 30 in transition. We need more ball movement and more scoring balance.

This is why I think you're horrible at analyzing a team and often times players in general....

No this team doesn't need more offense. I think out of fear how this team is coached and managed it dictates what you're looking for in a player... instead of looking at how the game should be played in general. If we brought in players that actually filled our biggest needs, it more than likely forces the hand of how we play.

So no I don't want to bring in Nate and Bargnani and Delfino and Martell Webster so it stops Smith and Melo from hoisting up 25fga in a game at 40 PACENT.

What I want is to bring in players like Carl Landry and Luke Ridnour and Earl Clark and DeJaun Blair and Brandan Wright and James Johnson and Beno Udrich who play the game the right way. Who do all the little things the team needs, rebounding, on court direction, toughness, youth, leadership.

Enough with salivating offensive players. If Smith has matured and Melo is really hungry and it's his time, and Shumpert is fully recovered and Paul George squared, and Felton is a heart of bargain, and Bargnani is restored to vigor.... then we don't need anymore offensive players.

These kinds of posts are incredulous. You say Carl Landry and he just signed for 8mma year. You were talkking about Monta Ellis--hes going to make 10mma a year. Udirh Blair and Wright will make 2-3 times what we can pay them. Luke Ridnour is under contract and was just traded to Milwaukee. Please do some homework and get back to me. Im talking vet minimum and being realistic about it. three vets one PG one big one wing defender. two younger guys one PG one big rookie contracts that extend out to our next FA period. I cant say Im right or wrong but Metta and lets say Tyrus Thomas and Aaaron Brooks for 4mm $ is not bad. I do not even think nate will take less--but I would also take nate for 1.8mm right now beggars are not exactly choosers.

GustavBahler wrote:

3G4G wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Nate and Metta on the same team. That would be something to see lol.

Right Metta Nate Kenyon--but they are tough tough guys play well and give swagger these guys are all vets--I cant see shanigans. Woudl this team last year beat Indiana with Metta and Nate? Maybe. I dont like putting so much on JR Smiths back--I dont want him taking 18 shots. We need more offense. Artes and either nate or Brooks would bring balance along with possibly Hardaway Jr. We were number 1 in iso last year and nunbger 30 in transition. We need more ball movement and more scoring balance.

This is why I think you're horrible at analyzing a team and often times players in general....

No this team doesn't need more offense. I think out of fear how this team is coached and managed it dictates what you're looking for in a player... instead of looking at how the game should be played in general. If we brought in players that actually filled our biggest needs, it more than likely forces the hand of how we play.

So no I don't want to bring in Nate and Bargnani and Delfino and Martell Webster so it stops Smith and Melo from hoisting up 25fga in a game at 40 PACENT.

What I want is to bring in players like Carl Landry and Luke Ridnour and Earl Clark and DeJaun Blair and Brandan Wright and James Johnson and Beno Udrich who play the game the right way. Who do all the little things the team needs, rebounding, on court direction, toughness, youth, leadership.

Enough with salivating offensive players. If Smith has matured and Melo is really hungry and it's his time, and Shumpert is fully recovered and Paul George squared, and Felton is a heart of bargain, and Bargnani is restored to vigor.... then we don't need anymore offensive players.

Briggs is one of the most civil posters here, not sure why you had to throw that in.

Briggs is civil and contributes well but it doesn't change the fact....he's often times all over the map, flip-flops, 1 dimensional.

Anyone who says J.R. Smith is worth $50mil and we should sign Jermaine O'neal with our MME, and talks up bad offensive players I have to question their overall train of thought.

It came off as a direct dig but really he's not the only one. Fans focus way too much on offense and scoring the ball looking at those players to solve our problems. Look the game is played with only 1 basketball. Where's the balance Gustav?

BRIGGS wrote:

3G4G wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Nate and Metta on the same team. That would be something to see lol.

Right Metta Nate Kenyon--but they are tough tough guys play well and give swagger these guys are all vets--I cant see shanigans. Woudl this team last year beat Indiana with Metta and Nate? Maybe. I dont like putting so much on JR Smiths back--I dont want him taking 18 shots. We need more offense. Artes and either nate or Brooks would bring balance along with possibly Hardaway Jr. We were number 1 in iso last year and nunbger 30 in transition. We need more ball movement and more scoring balance.

This is why I think you're horrible at analyzing a team and often times players in general....

No this team doesn't need more offense. I think out of fear how this team is coached and managed it dictates what you're looking for in a player... instead of looking at how the game should be played in general. If we brought in players that actually filled our biggest needs, it more than likely forces the hand of how we play.

So no I don't want to bring in Nate and Bargnani and Delfino and Martell Webster so it stops Smith and Melo from hoisting up 25fga in a game at 40 PACENT.

What I want is to bring in players like Carl Landry and Luke Ridnour and Earl Clark and DeJaun Blair and Brandan Wright and James Johnson and Beno Udrich who play the game the right way. Who do all the little things the team needs, rebounding, on court direction, toughness, youth, leadership.

Enough with salivating offensive players. If Smith has matured and Melo is really hungry and it's his time, and Shumpert is fully recovered and Paul George squared, and Felton is a heart of bargain, and Bargnani is restored to vigor.... then we don't need anymore offensive players.

These kinds of posts are incredulous. You say Carl Landry and he just signed for 8mma year. You were talkking about Monta Ellis--hes going to make 10mma a year. Udirh Blair and Wright will make 2-3 times what we can pay them. Luke Ridnour is under contract and was just traded to Milwaukee. Please do some homework and get back to me. Im talking vet minimum and being realistic about it. three vets one PG one big one wing defender. two younger guys one PG one big rookie contracts that extend out to our next FA period. I cant say Im right or wrong but Metta and lets say Tyrus Thomas and Aaaron Brooks for 4mm $ is not bad. I do not even think nate will take less--but I would also take nate for 1.8mm right now beggars are not exactly choosers.

I did not want Monta Ellis and I knew we had no shot at Landry.... "this summer".

I wanted Landry when Billups got amnestied. I did not want to use our $15mil in cap exclusively on Tyson Chandler. I wanted 2 players at least with the cap space. I'm referring to a general model of who to look at season to season as players become available.

I wanted Clark before he went to the Lakers.

I wanted Blair as the 2nd additional pick in the 2009 draft.

I want Ridnour to rid ourselves of Felton's 2015 salary. Are you following the process here? Proactive forward thinking moves. Had we signed someone like Landry especially on 1 or 2 yr deals(which that's what he's received since we've signed Chandler) until this off-season....maybe we wouldn't have multiple threads 2-3pages or more on why we lost Chris "freakin" Copeland in free agency.

I mentioned Monta this off-season as a means to rebuff the idea we're planning for 2015..I still don't believe it although I could be wrong and if we are, whether we make good on the plan or not I'll be the first to post I was wrong. A couple seasons ago when Monta wasn't in Milwaukee I believed he was a similar offensive threat to Melo and most certainly bang for buck considering what both got paid. Make no mistake about it I did not want Monta here... unless it meant we were blowing things up and somehow by way of miraculous works it set us up for the brightest future we could ever imagine.

Now you made a thread I think a couple weeks back discussing how we do business and you were spot on there, but then when it comes down to the nitty gritty of fixing the fudge job you'll go almost down a similar path that got us here posting ideas and what ifs?

3G4G wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

3G4G wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Nate and Metta on the same team. That would be something to see lol.

Right Metta Nate Kenyon--but they are tough tough guys play well and give swagger these guys are all vets--I cant see shanigans. Woudl this team last year beat Indiana with Metta and Nate? Maybe. I dont like putting so much on JR Smiths back--I dont want him taking 18 shots. We need more offense. Artes and either nate or Brooks would bring balance along with possibly Hardaway Jr. We were number 1 in iso last year and nunbger 30 in transition. We need more ball movement and more scoring balance.

This is why I think you're horrible at analyzing a team and often times players in general....

No this team doesn't need more offense. I think out of fear how this team is coached and managed it dictates what you're looking for in a player... instead of looking at how the game should be played in general. If we brought in players that actually filled our biggest needs, it more than likely forces the hand of how we play.

So no I don't want to bring in Nate and Bargnani and Delfino and Martell Webster so it stops Smith and Melo from hoisting up 25fga in a game at 40 PACENT.

What I want is to bring in players like Carl Landry and Luke Ridnour and Earl Clark and DeJaun Blair and Brandan Wright and James Johnson and Beno Udrich who play the game the right way. Who do all the little things the team needs, rebounding, on court direction, toughness, youth, leadership.

Enough with salivating offensive players. If Smith has matured and Melo is really hungry and it's his time, and Shumpert is fully recovered and Paul George squared, and Felton is a heart of bargain, and Bargnani is restored to vigor.... then we don't need anymore offensive players.

Briggs is one of the most civil posters here, not sure why you had to throw that in.

Briggs is civil and contributes well but it doesn't change the fact....he's often times all over the map, flip-flops, 1 dimensional.

Anyone who says J.R. Smith is worth $50mil and we should sign Jermaine O'neal with our MME, and talks up bad offensive players I have to question their overall train of thought.

It came off as a direct dig but really he's not the only one. Fans focus way too much on offense and scoring the ball looking at those players to solve our problems. Look the game is played with only 1 basketball. Where's the balance Gustav?

So apparently you know more than most fans because you complain a lot and offer up solutions to bring in guys that we CAN NOT get because they are already signed elsewhere for substantial dollars.....and the Knicks are currently cap restricted.

GustavBahler wrote:

3G4G wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

3G4G wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Nate and Metta on the same team. That would be something to see lol.

Right Metta Nate Kenyon--but they are tough tough guys play well and give swagger these guys are all vets--I cant see shanigans. Woudl this team last year beat Indiana with Metta and Nate? Maybe. I dont like putting so much on JR Smiths back--I dont want him taking 18 shots. We need more offense. Artes and either nate or Brooks would bring balance along with possibly Hardaway Jr. We were number 1 in iso last year and nunbger 30 in transition. We need more ball movement and more scoring balance.

This is why I think you're horrible at analyzing a team and often times players in general....

No this team doesn't need more offense. I think out of fear how this team is coached and managed it dictates what you're looking for in a player... instead of looking at how the game should be played in general. If we brought in players that actually filled our biggest needs, it more than likely forces the hand of how we play.

So no I don't want to bring in Nate and Bargnani and Delfino and Martell Webster so it stops Smith and Melo from hoisting up 25fga in a game at 40 PACENT.

What I want is to bring in players like Carl Landry and Luke Ridnour and Earl Clark and DeJaun Blair and Brandan Wright and James Johnson and Beno Udrich who play the game the right way. Who do all the little things the team needs, rebounding, on court direction, toughness, youth, leadership.

Enough with salivating offensive players. If Smith has matured and Melo is really hungry and it's his time, and Shumpert is fully recovered and Paul George squared, and Felton is a heart of bargain, and Bargnani is restored to vigor.... then we don't need anymore offensive players.

Briggs is one of the most civil posters here, not sure why you had to throw that in.

Briggs is civil and contributes well but it doesn't change the fact....he's often times all over the map, flip-flops, 1 dimensional.

Anyone who says J.R. Smith is worth $50mil and we should sign Jermaine O'neal with our MME, and talks up bad offensive players I have to question their overall train of thought.

It came off as a direct dig but really he's not the only one. Fans focus way too much on offense and scoring the ball looking at those players to solve our problems. Look the game is played with only 1 basketball. Where's the balance Gustav?

Posters have busted Briggs on changing his mind, but that's a big leap to he doesn't know anything about the game. That stuff is RealGM 3G4G. Posters get into heated arguments here at times, but not to the point where they show that level of disrespect. One of the reasons why this is such a great site.

Okay Gustav...gotcha

1 question where were you all those times I've been called out like being accused of being other posters on this forum? Like when holfresh called me out yesterday and was proven wrong about when I post?

1 favor, can you manage to be there if say down the road similar happens to me(already has a few times even by Briggs himself)?

Hey BRIGGS seriously I'm sorry, but can you work on being consistent and balanced a little bit more?