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misterearl
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7/6/2013  9:41 PM
CrushALot brings great perspective

The problem with the Knicks as a franchise has always been continuity

our worst enemy is impatience

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misterearl
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7/6/2013  9:46 PM
CrushALot brings great perspective

The problem with the Knicks as a franchise has always been continuity

our worst enemy is impatience

once a knick always a knick
misterearl
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7/6/2013  9:58 PM
The Knicks franchise main issue is continuity

Our worst enemy is impatience

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7/6/2013  10:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/6/2013  10:01 PM
This isn't hard to figure out....the moves we've made center around what makes Melo happy or a better player or takes the load off him or lends to his style of play.

Ironically most of the moves we made center around offense. I'll go on record now...we're going to have a hard time this year making the playoffs. Too many bad teams got better and the strong teams got stronger than we did.
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7/6/2013  10:33 PM
3G4G wrote:This isn't hard to figure out....the moves we've made center around what makes Melo happy or a better player or takes the load off him or lends to his style of play.

Ironically most of the moves we made center around offense. I'll go on record now...we're going to have a hard time this year making the playoffs. Too many bad teams got better and the strong teams got stronger than we did.

I don't agree, i give mike woodson a 50+ win season any day of the week..Thats what he hangs his hat on, it's when they playoffs start, thats when the head scratching begins..besides that, the team hasn't even been fully put together and you assuming the worst..that in it's self is head scratching..

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7/6/2013  11:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/7/2013  8:15 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
3G4G wrote:This isn't hard to figure out....the moves we've made center around what makes Melo happy or a better player or takes the load off him or lends to his style of play.

Ironically most of the moves we made center around offense. I'll go on record now...we're going to have a hard time this year making the playoffs. Too many bad teams got better and the strong teams got stronger than we did.

I don't agree, i give mike woodson a 50+ win season any day of the week..Thats what he hangs his hat on, it's when they playoffs start, thats when the head scratching begins..besides that, the team hasn't even been fully put together and you assuming the worst..that in it's self is head scratching..

We'll barely crack 40 wins this year...watch.
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7/7/2013  1:00 AM
Bargnani is a more accomplished and proven player than Copeland. He'll be playing.
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7/7/2013  2:24 AM
The woody approach is:
-exploit the melo mismatch and force teams to dbl him
-when doubled..kick out and hit 3s
-coach mediocre defense players enough def to allow the melo mismatch to win games
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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7/7/2013  9:44 AM
callmened wrote:The woody approach is:
-exploit the melo mismatch and force teams to dbl him
-when doubled..kick out and hit 3s let him or JR chuck up as many contested fadeaways as they want
-coach mediocre defense players enough def to allow the melo mismatch to win games
- stubbornly employ a defensive switching scheme that doesn't work very well

Fixed

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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7/7/2013  10:03 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/7/2013  10:03 AM
loweyecue wrote:
callmened wrote:The woody approach is:
-exploit the melo mismatch and force teams to dbl him
-when doubled..kick out and hit 3s let him or JR chuck up as many contested fadeaways as they want
-coach mediocre defense players enough def to allow the melo mismatch to win games
- stubbornly employ a defensive switching scheme that doesn't work very well

Fixed

So now I understand Woody's problem.

If he wants them to kick it out when doubled....Then that explains the contested shots Melo and JR take when it's 1 on 1, trying to force the defense to double. But what happens when your shots aren't falling? Thats the main problem with this team.

If there's no double teams, then Woody gives Melo and JR the green light to take their man. The problem is when you face a team that doesn't have to double (Indy, Miami) you lose because JR and Melo just took mostly contested 1 on 1 shots all game, waiting for a double team that never came. While everybody else stands around and watch!

Woody's system needs to improve, just like the players. I want to see some adjustments this season offensively from Woodson!

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7/7/2013  10:04 AM
loweyecue wrote:
callmened wrote:The woody approach is:
-exploit the melo mismatch and force teams to dbl him
-when doubled..kick out and hit 3s let him or JR chuck up as many contested fadeaways as they want
-coach mediocre defense players enough def to allow the melo mismatch to win games
- stubbornly employ a defensive switching scheme that doesn't work very well

Fixed


You forgot doubling the post regardless of who it is (we doubled Ian Mahinmi...)
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TeamBall wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
callmened wrote:The woody approach is:
-exploit the melo mismatch and force teams to dbl him
-when doubled..kick out and hit 3s let him or JR chuck up as many contested fadeaways as they want
-coach mediocre defense players enough def to allow the melo mismatch to win games
- stubbornly employ a defensive switching scheme that doesn't work very well

Fixed


You forgot doubling the post regardless of who it is (we doubled Ian Mahinmi...)

His entire game plan going into the INDY series was a lame as lame can get

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7/7/2013  10:49 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
callmened wrote:The woody approach is:
-exploit the melo mismatch and force teams to dbl him
-when doubled..kick out and hit 3s let him or JR chuck up as many contested fadeaways as they want
-coach mediocre defense players enough def to allow the melo mismatch to win games
- stubbornly employ a defensive switching scheme that doesn't work very well

Fixed


You forgot doubling the post regardless of who it is (we doubled Ian Mahinmi...)

His entire game plan going into the INDY series was a lame as lame can get

we call that lame sauce

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7/7/2013  11:58 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/7/2013  12:04 PM
Rhythm and Respect

“He has never defended or rebounded with a passion or a purpose,” Van Gundy says. “But, he will give the Knicks 3-point shooting. He can handle the ball. He’s still a very good offensive player. Plus, he gives them insurance in case Amar’e (Stoudemire) goes down. Considering what they gave up, I think it’s a good move.”

- Jeff Van Gundy

If Mike Woodson can coach the most productive pro season of his career out of the gifted but immature JR Smith, is it unreasonable that he can coach excellence out of the Charmin soft Andrea Bargnani?

Speculation is entertaining. The primary task of an NBA coach is convincing grown men to work together.

The storyline of the Knicks season is how Melo and Bargnani cohere. If they find some rhythm and respect it could be fun to watch.

Since gunsnewing cannot ask Mike Woodson what type of team he wants, The Answer Man would submit that Mike Woodson wants a winning team.

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7/7/2013  12:17 PM
the knicks are going to underachieve next season if not outright implode, and it will be more immediately because of the leadership void but also the build-up of "plan scrapping" dating back to the melo trade.

it seems that some of you believe that there is some sort of magical critical mass point that will occur but there will be no critical mass point with a roster that is now overwhelmed by regular-season fool's gold players being coached by a regular-season fool's gold coach. there will be no cohesion or synergy with this motley collection.

the only antidote for a lack of offensive cohesion is defense and rebounding and the knicks have neither.

sure, they are "professionals" who are paid to "show up" every night, but the impossibility of cohering will ultimately erode any collective will. to fight that erosion you need leadership on the floor and on the bench. the knicks have neither.

i feel sad for true knick fans who expect excellence but who are forced to lap up this slop.

this franchise is doggy-****.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/7/2013  12:21 PM
Karnak The Magnificent

the knicks are going to underachieve next season if not outright implode

Negative, bitter and depressing vibes are never welcome in my house.

Time will tell.

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7/7/2013  12:35 PM
dk7th wrote:the knicks are going to underachieve next season if not outright implode, and it will be more immediately because of the leadership void but also the build-up of "plan scrapping" dating back to the melo trade.

it seems that some of you believe that there is some sort of magical critical mass point that will occur but there will be no critical mass point with a roster that is now overwhelmed by regular-season fool's gold players being coached by a regular-season fool's gold coach. there will be no cohesion or synergy with this motley collection.

the only antidote for a lack of offensive cohesion is defense and rebounding and the knicks have neither.

sure, they are "professionals" who are paid to "show up" every night, but the impossibility of cohering will ultimately erode any collective will. to fight that erosion you need leadership on the floor and on the bench. the knicks have neither.

i feel sad for true knick fans who expect excellence but who are forced to lap up this slop.

this franchise is doggy-****.


Outright implode? Thats a little much dont you think?
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7/7/2013  12:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/7/2013  12:40 PM
Outright Implosions

TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:
this franchise is doggy-****.

Outright implode? Thats a little much dont you think?

Ya think?

Nah, let's all follow dk7th, fold the tent, pack the upcoming season in a hefty bag, throw it in the trash and watch something else.

Why bother?

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7/7/2013  12:52 PM
misterearl wrote:Karnak The Magnificent

the knicks are going to underachieve next season if not outright implode

Negative, bitter and depressing vibes are never welcome in my house.

Time will tell.

you quote the statement but are reluctant to examine my reasons for making it.

and for the record i don't like houses whose main attributes are blacklight posters, velveteen wallpaper, shag carpets, broken-down caddies in the front yard, and frothing rottweilers.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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7/7/2013  12:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/7/2013  12:56 PM
misterearl wrote:Outright Implosions

TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:
this franchise is doggy-****.

Outright implode? Thats a little much dont you think?

Ya think?

Nah, let's all follow dk7th, fold the tent, pack the upcoming season in a hefty bag, throw it in the trash and watch something else.

Why bother?


That doesn't sound like following dk7th.
That sounds more like an intolerant homer's misinterpretation of dk7th
He clearly does advocate following the team because he enjoys critical discussion of the game.
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