gunsnewing wrote:I'm having a hard time figuring out exactly what kind of team he wants. Maybe you guys can offer up some incite. It seems to me he prefers a roster made up of defensive players. He had Copeland and refused to play him. That's fine but why did we trade for Bargnani? I think Bargs is a perfect compliment to Melo and Amare but we will have to live with the lack of defense and rebounding. It seems to me we need a more flexible coach the way the team is presently constructed. Does Bargnani get buried on the bench like Novak and copeland once it becomes clear that we can only win by putting up 100+ points but while allowing 100+ which means a slightly above .500 team? It seems the Knicks never have a definitive plan or indentity. The organization needs to be in sync. Is Mike Woodson being set up to fail so that Phil is brought in?

Phil Jackson coming here?? HA HA don't hold your breath. Phil only goes where the pieces are all ready there and all he has to do is make it work. He ain't coming here. If Phil Jackson ,Pop, and Riley teamed up could's save this unit.

Woodson is just an yes man, he has no business being a head coach. Because it's clear that he doesn't coach - there's almost no game plan other than dump it to Melo. The substitutions make no sense, the defense sucks the man is clueless.

Vmart wrote:

playa2 wrote:Woodson is a yes man, so whatever the politics are with the franchise be it a salary cap or star phuck move he's ok with it. He can't have an identity, the last coach that had an identity was Pat Riley(Jeff Vandummy just piggy backed it). The knicks can't have an identity until we get a coach who demands an identity from all his players.

I agree with this. You knew as soon as he let go of his agent Glass. The fact that Grunwald and Woody are Indiana will be a huge play in him coming back.

Larry brown advised him to let go of his agent. After brown, Dolan wasn't putting more money in that guys pocket. I don't think that makes Woodson a yes man, I think it keeps him employed.

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:

playa2 wrote:Woodson is a yes man, so whatever the politics are with the franchise be it a salary cap or star phuck move he's ok with it. He can't have an identity, the last coach that had an identity was Pat Riley(Jeff Vandummy just piggy backed it). The knicks can't have an identity until we get a coach who demands an identity from all his players.

I agree with this. You knew as soon as he let go of his agent Glass. The fact that Grunwald and Woody are Indiana will be a huge play in him coming back.

Larry brown advised him to let go of his agent. After brown, Dolan wasn't putting more money in that guys pocket. I don't think that makes Woodson a yes man, I think it keeps him employed.

I'm talking from a fans perspective or a reporters perspective.

Then as time went on the offense devolved a bit and the defensive effort slowed down. Overall I think Woody is a decent coach. He just doesn't have enough answers when going up against the better coaches in the league. He gets exposed under that spotlight. I give him a pass for dealing with a bunch of injuries that forced him to have to change his plan. However, he didn't seem to really believe in the success the team was having playing a certain way and switched things up in the playoffs, which was the worst thing to do at the worst time. Playing JR and Kidd too much, Cope and Shump too little, not even dressing Barron or playing Camby at all in the playoffs. The idea that he'd go big which totally went against our strengths.

Still I think Woody can be successful if he learns from the last 2 years and the team has a better mix of talent that is younger and can make it thru a full season. Woody will have to play the younger players tho. Hopefully he spends some time studying some new offensive concepts he can use when he needs to get this team great looks and switch things up on teams.

nixluva wrote:The way I look at it, is that Woody had the idea he was gonna slow things down and go with more of an inside out offense, but then STAT got hurt and Sheed wasn't able to really go for long and so he ended up playing smaller lineups. Those smaller lineups meant a more MDA style offense and it actually worked. The team was winning at a rate much better than was expected and so Woody stuck with the style of play.

Then as time went on the offense devolved a bit and the defensive effort slowed down. Overall I think Woody is a decent coach. He just doesn't have enough answers when going up against the better coaches in the league. He gets exposed under that spotlight. I give him a pass for dealing with a bunch of injuries that forced him to have to change his plan. However, he didn't seem to really believe in the success the team was having playing a certain way and switched things up in the playoffs, which was the worst thing to do at the worst time. Playing JR and Kidd too much, Cope and Shump too little, not even dressing Barron or playing Camby at all in the playoffs. The idea that he'd go big which totally went against our strengths.

Still I think Woody can be successful if he learns from the last 2 years and the team has a better mix of talent that is younger and can make it thru a full season. Woody will have to play the younger players tho. Hopefully he spends some time studying some new offensive concepts he can use when he needs to get this team great looks and switch things up on teams.

Well IMO, this bargi trade was a direct reaction to the lack of scoring in the playoffs, it's a direct move to counter Indy and to pull hibert out of the paint, and still focus on the perimeter shooting you need to be the Heat..But the problem wasn't really the scoring as much as it was the land slide on the boards that they had.

Rebounding and speed at the PG position was an absolute GLARING weakness, and so far we have done absolutely nothing to address those issue, VIA DRAFT, FA, or TRADES.

It's like they're so hung up on MELO's season ending comments about needing a second scorer..

I would have sacrifice signing Prigs to secure BRAND 1st.

The Knicks were literally awful offensively in the playoffs and that shouldn't happen for a team that was near the top in offense during the season. I'm not saying we should just ignore rebounding and D but that wasn't what really killed us in the end. It was never a strength of the team or why we won. If we had strong rebounding and suddenly didn't in the playoffs that would be a problem.

I do agree we need more help at PG tho. Felton and Prigs is not enough. We should expect them to add some help there as well as adding more rebounding.

gunsnewing wrote:It's just very confusing Melo, Bargnani and Amare are not defensive players and they make up our core. The coach doesn't seem to fit the roster. Amare was initially brought in to fit Dantoni then Melo is brought in who doesn't suite dantoni but suites Woodsons USO style and now Bargnani is brought in who suites Dantoni. Very difficult to figure out what the plan is