Happy he was a knick and made the NBA.

Lets put our hope on CJ making a big impact and cry when we can't re-up him.

tj23 wrote:My problem isn't so much losing Copeland( i like him) but it's losing him for nothing with no replacement. We need shooters!! That's what our offense is built around.

Well we didn't lose him yet.. Anyone know what kind of offers he's been receiving? Ballpark...Anything concrete on the table yet or even being speculated? All I've heard is interest. Interested to see what the market is for Copeland -- doesn't even look like there is one yet.

Question also -- I'm pretty sure the answer's no but can you combine a vet minimum salary AND the remaining amount we have left on the mini-MLE in one offer for a player?

I dunno man -- starting to feel bringing Copeland back makes a lot of sense now, more than signing Brand or Martin. Look at the situation -- (A) Cope and Pablo have GREAT chemistry and we just retained Priggy. (B) Copeland's 6'8" 230. He's got enough size to play 4 and I actually thought he played his best defensive trying to cover other 4s (even 5s at times) in the post rather than trying to chase 3s around out high. Guarding the post is where Cope belongs on the defensive end. He has a fighting chance down there and actually does a fine job with it. Having him guard the post more (or exclusively) won't make him look like such a defensive liability. (C) We probably could replace (maybe duplicate is a better word) what Martin or Brand would give us production-wise in a part-time role with much younger players -- Jamelle Hagins, Trevor Mbakwe? Save money this way too. Cope's 3-pt shooting would be much harder to replace.

As of right now -- I'd offer Aaron Brooks the most I could, whatever we have left (unless we could just get him for his vet minimum -- not sure which is less and not sure what Brooks' market value even is right now). If he rejects the offer, a sensible plan B would be to resign Copeland and then target a young/minimum salary PG and PF. I get the feeling Jerome Jordan's already unofficially signed up to backup Chandler in the middle which won't be terrible.

GustavBahler wrote:Still don't know why Copeland wasn't getting PT in the playoffs considering how we were doing at the time, and we don't know if that will change under Woodson if he comes back.

The opposing coach asked the same question and now the Pacers are trying to sign him whats that tell u. Vogel knew Copeland could hurt them but Woodson didnt play him

StarksEwing1 wrote:I agree we shouldnt overpay for Copeland. However you acnt compare Copeland to Novak. Novak was a one trick pony who the league figured out by teh time the 2012 playoffs came around. Copeland is more versatile. He can shoot the 3 he can play inside and even his defense got better

Skill wise no, Novak was a better shooter while cope was a little more diverse. But you can compare them as 28/29 year old players who have a very offensive oriented skill set that are looking to cash in on very good one year performances. We made that mistake with overpaying Novak. I bet Novak and how he turned out is playing very heavily into how we approach Copeland.

I mean really, what is Cope's ceiling? Personally, I see him as maybe the level as Kinda like Antwan Jamison is, kinda like real a tall Ben Gordon.

smackeddog wrote:Likely he's gone- I think Shawne Williams can replace him. Ironically I think Cope will be this years Shawne Williams, get slightly overpaid and crash and burn. Ideally he signs $3-$4 mil per year with a team under the cap so we can trade him for a trade exemption. We can then trade that for a player with 1 or 2 years on their contract- it would help out a lot.

Don't want to see him going to the Pacers.

I agree. Holy Crap moment....Shawne Williams Birthday, Feb 16, 1986 (27). Copeland's birthday, March 17, 1984 (29). Shawne is actually 2 years younger.

smackeddog wrote:Likely he's gone- I think Shawne Williams can replace him. Ironically I think Cope will be this years Shawne Williams, get slightly overpaid and crash and burn. Ideally he signs $3-$4 mil per year with a team under the cap so we can trade him for a trade exemption. We can then trade that for a player with 1 or 2 years on their contract- it would help out a lot.
Don't want to see him going to the Pacers.

Don't we need to have the available to space (or the rights) to actually sign him for $3M-4M before we could complete a sign and trade?
I'm not a huge fan of Cope. He had a handful of nice games, and eclipsed Novak in usefulness off the bench, but still not a smart defender, and always felt out of control on offense when driving the lane.

Seemed like a good guy, and I hope he cashes in on the year he had, but I won't be sad to see him move on.

joec32033 wrote:I agree. Holy Crap moment....Shawne Williams Birthday, Feb 16, 1986 (27). Copeland's birthday, March 17, 1984 (29). Shawne is actually 2 years younger.

Holy crap is right! I'd welcome Shawne back for the minimum happily, and that was when I was under the impression he had to be hovering around 30.

Jmpasq wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Likely he's gone- I think Shawne Williams can replace him. Ironically I think Cope will be this years Shawne Williams, get slightly overpaid and crash and burn. Ideally he signs $3-$4 mil per year with a team under the cap so we can trade him for a trade exemption. We can then trade that for a player with 1 or 2 years on their contract- it would help out a lot.

Don't want to see him going to the Pacers.

I agree. Holy Crap moment....Shawne Williams Birthday, Feb 16, 1986 (27). Copeland's birthday, March 17, 1984 (29). Shawne is actually 2 years younger.

Shawne Williams seems way older then that

Drugs'll do that to you.