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RonRon
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7/2/2013  5:59 PM


1- Greivez Vazqeuz


for


2018 1st rounder
the non guaranteed contracts of Earl Barron
Ronnie Brewer's trade exemption
150% rule
2m cash

2- Tyson Chandler


for

Kyle Korver (sign and trade at 3.5m per year for 3years with team option for 4th)
Mike Muscula
10m trade exemption
1 1st round draft pick
2 future 2nd round draft picks


1- After using 5m MLE (possibly with 2 players)

2- 2m BAE, maybe retaining Copeland to a deal depending what another team offers, if not trade him along with with Pablo for 2nd round picks or/and possibly rookies drafted with a trade exemption to use in future deals like Brandon Rush and JJ Barea without assets, just for salary dump for them, maybe Andre Miller/Ridnour/Isiah Thomas for 2nd future round picks attained in deals above


target players in trade with trade exemptions with Chandler and Copeland/Prigs in lower deals AFTER using the MLE and BAE, with 2020 pick and/or picks attained for Tyson Chandler

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7/2/2013  6:05 PM
I don't think you can combine a player with a trade exception. I think you can only take back a salary for the amount of the trade exception.
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7/2/2013  6:13 PM
Like CrushAlot said you can't combine traded player exceptions and players in a trade. There's also no evidence that Barron has a non-guaranteed deal this year. And the 150% rule is for teams over the cap but under the luxury tax apron that are trading between $5M and $10M in player salary. For teams over the apron it's 125% + $100k of outgoing salary.
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7/2/2013  6:14 PM
CrushAlot wrote:I don't think you can combine a player with a trade exception. I think you can only take back a salary for the amount of the trade exception.


I think you are right but with Tyreke Evans heading to New Orleans, I would love to add Vasqeuz if possible
Maybe Copeland instead and get back players we could use to dangle around in future trades for salary purposes as well

Holiday
Eric Gorden
Tyreke Evans
Greviez Vasquez
Rivers
Andre Roberts (could be a 2nd year player to target as well that I like)

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7/2/2013  6:15 PM
VCoug wrote:Like CrushAlot said you can't combine traded player exceptions and players in a trade. There's also no evidence that Barron has a non-guaranteed deal this year. And the 150% rule is for teams over the cap but under the luxury tax apron that are trading between $5M and $10M in player salary. For teams over the apron it's 125% + $100k of outgoing salary.

well, moving Chandler can go first then

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7/2/2013  6:27 PM
Grevis Vasquez has more value than that I think. I would love to get him here though. The guy pretty close to averaging a triple double for a stretch games last season.
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7/2/2013  9:29 PM
I don't think we have a lot of trade options anymore. I think this team can get by with a couple shrewed signings for this year and next. Personally, I would sign Brand and Billiups to vet min contracts. I would sign Shawn's Williams too. I am keeping that MLE for JR but I think there are guys out there not as talented but less knuckleheaded we can use that money on, like Anthony Morrow (minimum), Dorell Wright (MLE), Randy Foye(MLE), Matt Barnes(MLE).

We are not getting our PG of the future unless you sign Teague to an MLE contract.

Chandler
Anthony
Barnes/Bargnani
Iman-2nd scorer
Felton

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7/2/2013  9:51 PM
VCoug wrote:Like CrushAlot said you can't combine traded player exceptions and players in a trade. There's also no evidence that Barron has a non-guaranteed deal this year. And the 150% rule is for teams over the cap but under the luxury tax apron that are trading between $5M and $10M in player salary. For teams over the apron it's 125% + $100k of outgoing salary.

You are right about the trade exception rule but Vasquez salary actually fits into the knicks exception so Barron is not needed at all.

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7/19/2013  11:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/19/2013  11:15 PM
NYK
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Tyson Chandler
Raymond Felton
Iman Shumpert
Earl Barron
CJ Leslie???
Ronnie Brewer's trade exemption


Suns
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Dragic
Gortat
Beasley
Hiddadyi???
Multiple 2nd round picks from Sun's and Laker's


We need a starting PG badly and I think we play better with a mobile C that has some scoring ability than Tyson Chandler
With Iman, I like him a lot but he would eat up our cap room for 2015 FA, I think it is a fair/reasonable trade for both teams
We could remove Felton and Beasley but I want Beasley's contract so Felton's player option would not affect us for 2015 and I think Sun's would trade him and give us more picks if we pick him up

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7/19/2013  11:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/19/2013  11:36 PM
Most importantly we no longer play 4vs5 with Tyson Chandler and his 2year 29mill contract and tax
Getting back a combination of 2nd round picks that we could utilize in future trades/draft picks

We get a starting caliber PG and relieve ourselves of 3 players that play the same exact position in

JR
Iman
Timhardway JR

Also clearing some roster positions


btw, Sun's could take more salary than we receive since they are way under the cap, and can give us a trade exemption for instance


Knicks
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Chandler
Felton
Iman


for


Suns
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Gortat
Dragic
1 1st round top 5 protected pick
3 2nd round picks


Sun's get worse with this trade but get a better chance in getting #1 draft pick in Rudy Gay's clone while Bledsoe gets the lead reps at PG with Felton/Goodwin/Marshall as backups
More importantly they get Iman Shumpert to team up with Bledsoe which would be a great together on DEF at PG/SG
We get better this year and even for our future
Maybe Murry/Brown impresses the coaches so much they want them to get PT with Jeremy Tyler and/or a FA PG like Nate Robinson/Udrih comes over for the ability to start with Dragic

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7/19/2013  11:34 PM
You can't trade A TPE. All you can do is fit a player into the exemption.
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7/19/2013  11:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/19/2013  11:39 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:You can't trade A TPE. All you can do is fit a player into the exemption.

fine, on a separate trade use it for Hiddadyi, regarding Brewer's TPE
And we will just hold on to the TPE from Sun's if we want to give more salary than take, wait till a deal comes a long

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7/19/2013  11:42 PM
Gortat fits in with Melo, Amare, Martin, and Barg's much better than Tyson Chandler in my opinion
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7/19/2013  11:58 PM
RonRon wrote:Gortat fits in with Melo, Amare, Martin, and Barg's much better than Tyson Chandler in my opinion

Only if he goes back to Gortat of a couple of years ago. However, I would be against the trade because what you gain in offense you lose in Defense. It doesn't really do them any good unless they just really want Shump. Chandler is valuable to playoffs teams and will probably be more valuable next year on a 1 yr deal.

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7/20/2013  8:30 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/20/2013  8:32 AM
The knicks can stand Pat and be ok....

The idea of getting gortat and dragic is pretty awesome though. Felton talks a big game and he plays big sometimes, but the knicks need him to push the rock and be a point guard. Dragic is better at being a point guard.

In defense, Felton sucks but held his own against Paul pierce. But if we are playing Felton on Paul pierce we are dead, cuz that means we have to play other guys it of position or out of their element. Felton can't guard his position.

Tyson can't score. Gortat is talented enough to be better at the pic and roll cuz he can put the ball on the floor and hit a jump shot. His defense is adequate. He competes and he has a mean streak. He's not soft and he won't openly complain to the refs when we need him to be locked in.


Dragic brings skills we don't have. Gortat gives us more versatility with our bigs. The only reason Phoenix does this is if they get iman. And maybe they believe they get leadership and defense upgrades.

I think guys generally like Felton and iman. Tyson probably pissed melo off in the playoffs. We gotta be careful with chemistry, but i think the talent in training camp will get guts focused. Woodson will have the guts ready.

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7/20/2013  8:51 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/20/2013  9:03 AM
EnySpree wrote:The knicks can stand Pat and be ok....

The idea of getting gortat and dragic is pretty awesome though. Felton talks a big game and he plays big sometimes, but the knicks need him to push the rock and be a point guard. Dragic is better at being a point guard.

In defense, Felton sucks but held his own against Paul pierce. But if we are playing Felton on Paul pierce we are dead, cuz that means we have to play other guys it of position or out of their element. Felton can't guard his position.

Tyson can't score. Gortat is talented enough to be better at the pic and roll cuz he can put the ball on the floor and hit a jump shot. His defense is adequate. He competes and he has a mean streak. He's not soft and he won't openly complain to the refs when we need him to be locked in.


Dragic brings skills we don't have. Gortat gives us more versatility with our bigs. The injury reason ironic does this is if they get iman. And maybe they believe they get leadership and defense upgrades.

I think guys generally like Felton and iman. Tyson probably pissed melo off in the playoffs. We gotta be careful with chemistry, but i think the talent in training camp will get guts focused. Woodson will have the guts ready.


good post, totally agree, and that is why I suggested such a trade
This would help Bledsoe develop without Dragic there, and that team will likely suck even more than the team they have now, so higher chance in getting Wiggins aka Clone of Rudy Gay
I know Gortat didn't have a good season last year but lets not forget that Channing Frye was a big part of The Sun's offense in addition to Steve Nash
Had Gortat had a similar year to the one's he had in Phoenix, we would not even be having this conversation

I love Iman but with the THJ signing, our limited assets, our history with players with potential, Iman's comments that stepped on coach Woodson and Dolan's golden boy *with a player option coming*, and the recent D12/SAS interview, I think it is just a matter of time before he is indeed traded
Unless he comes out with MAJOR improvements like JR did and has ALL STAR potential shown in him, *probably just raise his stock so though*

Many of us wanted Bledsoe in NYK because we feel Iman and Bledsoe would be a great fit together on DEFENSE in addition to Bledsoe's high potential
This would also open up minutes for Archie Goodwin and Kendall Marshall to be developed

Alex Len likely would not be ready early in the season and could also use a veteran like Chandler to mentor him
As for the picks, I am not sure if they value Tyson Chandler as much as some of do, at his 29m 2 year deal, I see his contract more as a negative than a positive
But maybe the grass is greener on the other side of the fence and they are I am wrong about Chandler

I remember late in last season, Hamed Haddadi, was a great help defender against James Harden, although he was not in great shape due to barely playing in his entire career as a 3rd string backup
I see the potential in him and value as a vet min player that we can get leverage for a 2 year vet min deal
James Harden is one of the best in the game outside of Lebron james in terms of penetrating/finishing with contact
Haddadi needs to continue to develop his game/confidence in the gym and on the court, but feel he can be a very low risk/high reward type player that isn't a "rookie" for Woodson's preference

He definitely needs to work on his endurance/stamina and athleticism but with the size of Indiana, Bulls, Nets, we need 2-3 7 footers if we play to contend for a title this year
but we just don't have many roster spots, hopefully Chris Smith doesn't waste one spot
I like Jeremy Tyler's potential but he also needs to work very hard on his game/weakness's and fill out his body in the gym and on the court skills
We need 2 year team options on players and not 1year vet min deals that bail on us for our roster spots

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7/20/2013  9:10 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/20/2013  9:11 AM
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Dragic
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Marcin Gortat
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Hamed Haddadi
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7/20/2013  9:21 AM
A trade that works straight up is Gortat and Dragic for Tyson and Shump....i think that's fair. Everyone in NYC will flip because Tyson has thus reputation and Shump is doused to be the next Tony Allen Allen if you haven't heard, lol....

After thus trade, i would start bargs, melo, gortat, dragic and Felton.....

Off the bench, A'mare, metta, JR, priggy...guys that is a great team right there.

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7/20/2013  9:28 AM
if we can get a trade exemption from The Sun's, I would target Brandon Rush to replace Iman Shumpert's DEFENSIVE abilities, while Rush is coming of a major knee surgery, I think he is closer to a SG/SF, especially SF with length/very good athleticism, and is tough with loves to play DEF just like Iman with his worth ethic
He is a gamble with knee his knee injury but only has a 1 year deal left as an expiring


10-12 pts, with close to 50% FG
Very good rebounder, could grab 5-10 boards a game, depending on minutes
40-45% in 3pt % with 1-2 makes per game
very low in TO's, about 1 per game
With 1 steal and 1 block per game
Played very well for Golden State when he played 30minutes + but generally played on a limited role with


He could play as a starter or off the bench and doesn't need his number called upon like Marion's career/game, so I think he fits in with Melo very well
Some other options include


Som vet min considerations
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James Johnson

Stephen Jackson

Shawnnee Williams
Raja Bell


Look at what Brandon Rush did with Mark Jackson's first year in Golden State
He was a big part of GS's start in turning around the franchise, especially on DEFENSE, hard work/work ethic, and mentality would easily be a fan favorite here in NYK


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