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with Bargs/Novak/Camby trade, Knicks just set themselves up for 2015 just like Heat in 2010.
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martin
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7/1/2013  11:10 AM
Rondo, Thaddeus Young, Love, Aldridge, BLopez, Marc Gasol.

Tons of other names, possibly LeBron too. Getting Nokav off roster is a HUGE plus.

Knicks will have Felton, Shump, TH Jr on books.

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7/1/2013  11:12 AM
I am a big proponent of matching the duration and age of your assets. Knicks achieved this. I like this. The only problem is that we were similarly set up in 2010 and had to take a huge chance on Amar'e. It's a double-edged sword. All that said, I do think it is worth the risk.
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7/1/2013  11:13 AM
I assume we'd want Aldridge or Gasol.

Biggest thing is Knicks still have Melo. See what Boston got for old ass Garnett and Pierce. They jump started their rebuild.

Knicks have options and cap space. I like the move.

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7/1/2013  11:15 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:I am a big proponent of matching the duration and age of your assets. Knicks achieved this. I like this. The only problem is that we were similarly set up in 2010 and had to take a huge chance on Amar'e. It's a double-edged sword. All that said, I do think it is worth the risk.

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7/1/2013  11:15 AM
Dont think the Knicks make the Amare mistake again unless the player comes in with LBJ.
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7/1/2013  11:15 AM
This is such an underrated factor. We have a legit 2 year plan and will no doubt be able to land a big time free agent. We will assume Melo resigns, and Shumpert and TH jr are nice young players who will develop. Felton may opt out that final year, or if not, is a very tradeable player with a small contract for a solid starting PG. Chandler, Stoudemire, Bargs all off the books and Knicks will probably be able to bring at least one of them back on a much smaller contract. I'm no capologist, but even with Melo, Shumpert, TH jr, felton, and possibly JR Smith, we should still have at least 25 mil in cap space right?
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7/1/2013  11:15 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:I am a big proponent of matching the duration and age of your assets. Knicks achieved this. I like this. The only problem is that we were similarly set up in 2010 and had to take a huge chance on Amar'e. It's a double-edged sword. All that said, I do think it is worth the risk.

Were they? Could the Knicks take on 3 guys at $15M?

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7/1/2013  11:19 AM
Isn't Kyrie Irving the biggest name free agenct entering 2015?

Wouldn't this set up the Knicks theoretically to be a possible landing spot?
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7/1/2013  11:21 AM
$3.75mil wasn't going to hamper us from doing what we want, targeting that year....but yes in a way it helps. Not like his salary couldn't have been moved from now til then and probably cost us less or got us something back in return like a 2nd round pick.

Our problems will be filling out the roster regardless of cap space, because we don't have assets(picks) not even 2nd rounders...so the Max cats will eat up the space quickly and we'll barely be able to put out a starting 5.

Also you listed guys who'll be 28-31yrs(wear and tear) old by 2015 unlike the Heat who got 25/26yr old guys. Also the Heat had multiple first round and 2nd round picks to execute S&T's. What do we pay Shump btw prior too, he's going to want an extension signed by Oct 2014? What about Melo does he get an extension from us?
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7/1/2013  11:22 AM
martin wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I am a big proponent of matching the duration and age of your assets. Knicks achieved this. I like this. The only problem is that we were similarly set up in 2010 and had to take a huge chance on Amar'e. It's a double-edged sword. All that said, I do think it is worth the risk.

Were they? Could the Knicks take on 3 guys at $15M?

Obviously, no, but I would certainly call the strategies similar - considering the idea is to build through FA

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7/1/2013  11:25 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/1/2013  11:26 AM
We should move Felton ASAP. He is going to be useless in 2016 and only eating up our cap

Still can't believe Grunwald gave him a 4th yr when no one wanted him
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7/1/2013  11:26 AM
3G4G wrote:$3.75mil wasn't going to hamper us from doing what we want, targeting that year....but yes in a way it helps. Not like his salary couldn't have been moved from now til then and probably cost us less or got us something back in return like a 2nd round pick.

Our problems will be filling out the roster regardless of cap space, because we don't have assets(picks) not even 2nd rounders...so the Max cats will eat up the space quickly and we'll barely be able to put out a starting 5.

Also you listed guys who'll be 28-31yrs(wear and tear) old by 2015 unlike the Heat who got 25/26yr old guys. Also the Heat had multiple first round and 2nd round picks to execute S&T's. What do we pay Shump btw prior too, he's going to want an extension signed by Oct 2014? What about Melo does he get an extension from us?


Yeah, we gave up at least 1 if not 3 picks just to clear $3.75 mil from the cap in 3 years?!
There's a high chance Novak's salary wouldn't have interfered with any FA signings in 2015. But if it did, you could offer one small asset and $3 mil in cash to a team that takes on his $3.75 mil salary.
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7/1/2013  11:27 AM
The Knicks aren't setting themselves up for anything. We tried this already and then made panic moves and locked the team into a mediocre squad after losing for 10 years and rebuilding for three. As long as Dolan is in charge the knicks are what they are second class, petty and team that will never go anywhere.

If they had a plan they wouldn't have given long term deals out to Kidd Novak and Camby in the offseason.
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7/1/2013  11:28 AM
gunsnewing wrote:We should move Felton ASAP. He is going to be useless in 2016 and only eating up our cap

He's making $0.75 mil more than Novak though. We probably have to give up at least four picks to get his $4.5 mil off the cap.
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7/1/2013  11:29 AM
MS wrote:The Knicks aren't setting themselves up for anything. We tried this already and then made panic moves and locked the team into a mediocre squad after losing for 10 years and rebuilding for three. As long as Dolan is in charge the knicks are what they are second class, petty and team that will never go anywhere.

If they had a plan they wouldn't have given long term deals out to Kidd Novak and Camby in the offseason.

That last line literally made no sense whatsoever.

They just evacuated all 3 deals, what are you bitching about again?
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7/1/2013  11:31 AM
gunsnewing wrote:We should move Felton ASAP. He is going to be useless in 2016 and only eating up our cap

Still can't believe Grunwald gave him a 4th yr when no one wanted him

Felton at $3M+ is a steal.

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7/1/2013  11:32 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:We should move Felton ASAP. He is going to be useless in 2016 and only eating up our cap

He's making $0.75 mil more than Novak though. We probably have to give up at least four picks to get his $4.5 mil off the cap.

Exactly what I'm thinking. Unless we have a new front office in place by then with an actual plan in place to rebuild the right way after 2015
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7/1/2013  11:33 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
3G4G wrote:$3.75mil wasn't going to hamper us from doing what we want, targeting that year....but yes in a way it helps. Not like his salary couldn't have been moved from now til then and probably cost us less or got us something back in return like a 2nd round pick.

Our problems will be filling out the roster regardless of cap space, because we don't have assets(picks) not even 2nd rounders...so the Max cats will eat up the space quickly and we'll barely be able to put out a starting 5.

Also you listed guys who'll be 28-31yrs(wear and tear) old by 2015 unlike the Heat who got 25/26yr old guys. Also the Heat had multiple first round and 2nd round picks to execute S&T's. What do we pay Shump btw prior too, he's going to want an extension signed by Oct 2014? What about Melo does he get an extension from us?


Yeah, we gave up at least 1 if not 3 picks just to clear $3.75 mil from the cap in 3 years?!
There's a high chance Novak's salary wouldn't have interfered with any FA signings in 2015. But if it did, you could offer one small asset and $3 mil in cash to a team that takes on his $3.75 mil salary.

I got 1 word for you.....


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7/1/2013  11:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/1/2013  11:39 AM
martin wrote:Rondo, Thaddeus Young, Love, Aldridge, BLopez, Marc Gasol.

Tons of other names, possibly LeBron too. Getting Nokav off roster is a HUGE plus.

Knicks will have Felton, Shump, TH Jr on books.

Interesting thought.

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7/1/2013  11:34 AM
Let's be real Miami set themselves up for 2010 on draft night. It was the Knicks that started the prep for 2010 a year before 2010. What took the Knicks a year of trades and moves Miami did it basically in a week.
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