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NYY1NYK2
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7/1/2013  12:05 AM
We are trading Marcus Camby who is glued to the bench, Steve "league figured me out" Novak
for Bargnani who is a 7 footer who can shoot.
This is a good trade because
1. Camby is old, fragile and does not contribute
2. Novak has a great shot but we don't use him, and doesn't play D or rebound
3. Bargnani plays the 4, and forces woody to play melo at the 3, where he doesn't get abused physically,
4. If bargnani plays the 5, melo plays the 4, shump 3, hardaway 2. Bargnani opens things up for melo because he can step out to shoot
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7/1/2013  12:12 AM
You seem to be forgeting the 3 picks that we are giving away. i dont give a damn if its a high first round pick its still valuable. Bargnani is better than novak/camby i'll grant you that but ther are issues. 1. He has been very injury prone the last few years 2. Questionable work ethic. i hate players who are soft or dont hustle all the time. Also is his shot isnt falling he cant do anything else. he is a better version of novak
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7/1/2013  12:15 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/1/2013  12:20 AM
I like the trade a lot better if we can add at least one more big 6'10" or better that can rebound and block a shot to go along with Chandler inside. I know they're interested in bringing K-Mart back but I'd prefer someone younger. 7' C Marcus Cousin would be great. I believe in that kid's game...6'10" Jordan Williams fits the bill too (he'd really upgrade the rebounding which definitely did not improve with the addition of Bargnani)....And I really like this kid Jamelle Hagins, an undrafted PF out of Delaware. That kid would be perfect. Just one more power player now to go along with Chandler.
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7/1/2013  12:19 AM
Great post. Bargnani is only 27. He is seven feet tall. He was a number one overall pick. He has been hampered by injuries, is said to be healthy and playing for Italy in September. He is due for a bounce back season. The 2016 pick will begin playing in the nba in the 2016-17 season. That pick will probably be after 20. A lot of good players have been picked after 20 but the majority are role players at best. Rookies generally need a couple of years before they are big contributors. That bumps this pick contributing out to the 2018-19 season if he is typical. Do you really want to passion a former #1 so the team has a young rotation player in 2018. Really?
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7/1/2013  12:23 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Great post. Bargnani is only 27. He is seven feet tall. He was a number one overall pick. He has been hampered by injuries, is said to be healthy and playing for Italy in September. He is due for a bounce back season. The 2016 pick will begin playing in the nba in the 2016-17 season. That pick will probably be after 20. A lot of good players have been picked after 20 but the majority are role players at best. Rookies generally need a couple of years before they are big contributors. That bumps this pick contributing out to the 2018-19 season if he is typical. Do you really want to passion a former #1 so the team has a young rotation player in 2018. Really?

Picks are like backup QB's everyone loves them because they haven't done anything yet and are only possibilities. So people tend to think only positive things about them. No one knows what a pick will be, but they're sure that it will always be good.

Fans forget that we are a win now team with players in their prime. We really can only worry about the next 2 years and making sure we have the best team possible. Down the line if they want to trade these players for picks and start over they can. I'm sure that 2 yrs from now they will still have some value. In the meantime we can be about trying to win NOW!!!
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7/1/2013  12:26 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:You seem to be forgeting the 3 picks that we are giving away. i dont give a damn if its a high first round pick its still valuable. Bargnani is better than novak/camby i'll grant you that but ther are issues. 1. He has been very injury prone the last few years 2. Questionable work ethic. i hate players who are soft or dont hustle all the time. Also is his shot isnt falling he cant do anything else. he is a better version of novak

Next year he will be an expiring contract. If he is a bust this year he will still yield picks in a trade. We would recover most of the pick value we gave up.
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7/1/2013  12:26 AM
if we give up a 1sr rounder, can we ask for a 2nd rounder in return
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7/1/2013  12:46 AM
This trade sucks from a few different perspectives.. The Picks.. Offensively and Defensively. Offense, Bargnani is gonna need a true facilitator of offense to help him be successful. He relies on the pg to set up his offense.. WE DON'T HAVE A TRUE LEAD GUARD! Lastly Our defense is gonna really be abysmal... The Knicks will need a PG that places pressure on his man, Felton gets cooked frequently.. Having Shumpert at 2 guard will help, but we need a defensive stallworth @ pg. Devin Harris can stay in front of his man, but isn't exactly the quintessential playmaker.. I'd still use him as the glue guy for this trade. OTHERWISE WE ARE FOOD!
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7/1/2013  12:54 AM
Bargnani can actually put the ball on the floor and get to the rim.

Bargnani's problem is motivation. He needed a change of scenery.

Im not expecting 20 and 10. If we get a serviceable player we are winning. Plus we get a roster spot and more cap space in 2015.

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7/1/2013  1:05 AM
AnubisADL wrote:Bargnani can actually put the ball on the floor and get to the rim.

Bargnani's problem is motivation. He needed a change of scenery.

Im not expecting 20 and 10. If we get a serviceable player we are winning. Plus we get a roster spot and more cap space in 2015.



Bargnani is a shaky dude.. yeah, he can put the ball on the floor .. get stripped ASAP lol, Glad u r not expecting 20 10, cause he's never averaged more than 5 boards fam. I ain't killing the trade totally as he helps with scoring, drawing bigs out the paint and allowing Melo to be the 3... I don't know what you consider winning? This ain't a championship contending move.. You will need a game changing, playmaking, defensive minded pg to make a deal like this flourish.. OTHERWISE Ray Felton, Bargnani, Melo will be FOOD Defensively.. Tyson and Shumpert won't be enough. Even worst would be playing Bargnani w/ STAT? ABSOLUTELY NO D!
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7/1/2013  1:29 AM
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Great post. Bargnani is only 27. He is seven feet tall. He was a number one overall pick. He has been hampered by injuries, is said to be healthy and playing for Italy in September. He is due for a bounce back season. The 2016 pick will begin playing in the nba in the 2016-17 season. That pick will probably be after 20. A lot of good players have been picked after 20 but the majority are role players at best. Rookies generally need a couple of years before they are big contributors. That bumps this pick contributing out to the 2018-19 season if he is typical. Do you really want to passion a former #1 so the team has a young rotation player in 2018. Really?

Picks are like backup QB's everyone loves them because they haven't done anything yet and are only possibilities. So people tend to think only positive things about them. No one knows what a pick will be, but they're sure that it will always be good.

Fans forget that we are a win now team with players in their prime. We really can only worry about the next 2 years and making sure we have the best team possible. Down the line if they want to trade these players for picks and start over they can. I'm sure that 2 yrs from now they will still have some value. In the meantime we can be about trying to win NOW!!!

You are making too much sense for most fans here.

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7/1/2013  1:41 AM
Knicksfan wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Great post. Bargnani is only 27. He is seven feet tall. He was a number one overall pick. He has been hampered by injuries, is said to be healthy and playing for Italy in September. He is due for a bounce back season. The 2016 pick will begin playing in the nba in the 2016-17 season. That pick will probably be after 20. A lot of good players have been picked after 20 but the majority are role players at best. Rookies generally need a couple of years before they are big contributors. That bumps this pick contributing out to the 2018-19 season if he is typical. Do you really want to passion a former #1 so the team has a young rotation player in 2018. Really?

Picks are like backup QB's everyone loves them because they haven't done anything yet and are only possibilities. So people tend to think only positive things about them. No one knows what a pick will be, but they're sure that it will always be good.

Fans forget that we are a win now team with players in their prime. We really can only worry about the next 2 years and making sure we have the best team possible. Down the line if they want to trade these players for picks and start over they can. I'm sure that 2 yrs from now they will still have some value. In the meantime we can be about trying to win NOW!!!

You are making too much sense for most fans here.



LOL I think you both are missing the point. Draft picks, yes they are filled/ or unfulfilled promise.. a question of sorts as we don't usually know the result. However, key scouting does help in that regard. Moreover, the idea is about talent acquisition.. I for one wouldn't be opposed to mortgaging future picks, provided I'm getting a HEALTHY Asset with SKILL in return that addresses multiple NEEDS. I admit, he helps as a stretch 4.. giving us a more conventional lineup. Defensively, this deal stinks! It doesn't solve our rebounding woes.. it just seems like another lateral move meant to regain the NY backpages. Is he any different than Amare Stoudemire?
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