Bonn1997 wrote:Lebron and wade?

Not even Wade just Lebron on the Knicks they win the Championship but u could say that about 10 teams

Stevo718 wrote:More rebounding and a vast reduction in isolation plays for Melo and JR. Thats all!

Agree on the rebounding -- definitely an area that needs shoring up and it's why trading Chandler does give me some pause, even though I'm so down on this guy after his playoff performance -- I think he's severely overrated and nothing more than a glorified backup center to be brutally honest. I don't even care for his rebounding technique of slapping the ball back all the time instead of going up strong and securing the board himself, something he should be doing at 7'1" 270 -- they give him credit for those plays -- if they didn't, he's nothing more than a 5-7 rebound a game big man. Yet he is our only true center and a guy that averaged a double-double this season. I understand where people are coming from when they say we need Chandler + even more size..

As for less isos -- the only way to avoid that on a steady basis next year is to come up with more of an uptempo PG to go along with Felton that can push the ball for some easy baskets AND ALSO to infuse the roster with a few more offensive-minded players in general, this way Melo & JR wouldn't have to resort to playing that way all the time. Another thing we could do is try to finally convince Ray Felton to assume a bigger role in the offense -- if the team pretty much stays the same, maybe shift philosophy a little for next year and promote Ray to the 2nd offensive option--let him get close to 20 shots every game, not Smith....And speaking of Smith, yet another option is to just let JR walk and come up with another cheap/viable wing or 2 to take his place (something I'm not totally against esp. after his abysmal playoff performance and hearing that we'll be bringing in his brother Chris to appease him/convince him to stay---I don't think he deserves that at all and I don't want a roster spot wasted on an inferior player like Chris Smith). There's no denying JR Smith's talented but I actually hate the way he plays for the most part -- it's completely undisciplined low % basketball where he's given way too much freelance freedom by our head coach. If we want better offensive flow, we could subtract him from the equation and substitute in more traditional SGs that wouldn't be the ball-stopper he is.

Jmpasq wrote:

Stevo718 wrote:Adding a tall defensive rebounder would help... any suggestions? I would like to have Melo at sf the majority of the time and id like to see Melo and JR to average 4.5 assists per game. We have enough scoring contrary to what most people think... you can score without "scorers", its called turnovers and great passing. Get our top two scorers to move the ball more and watch our team shooting percentage increase dramatically. If I could I would add a defensive bigman to really solidify our defense. I just dont think we need to make any drastic changes.. it all depends on Melo and JR becoming more team oriented.

These guys have been in the NBA for along time they arent going to walk in next year and drastically change their games.This team is stuck for the next 2 years. The Knicks only hope is they clean house in 2015 and Melo takes a cap friendly deal. If he doesnt do that i think we should move on from him. The Knicks need to make Melo at least the teams 2nd best player or they arent winning a championship.There is no way with small tweaks this team is winning anymore then they did this year.Even if they luck into a perennial All Star at 24 it still wont be enough for next season.I hate to be Doom and Gloom but its the truth.

why even ask carmelo to take a lesser deal.. that isn't going to happen.. trade him while you can..sell high.. start rebuilding now... if the knicks believe in shumpert start him, and get him a PG or a wing ala paul george who can develop with him... don't waste these years with carmelo and early exits.. he is not changing...

tkf wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Stevo718 wrote:Adding a tall defensive rebounder would help... any suggestions? I would like to have Melo at sf the majority of the time and id like to see Melo and JR to average 4.5 assists per game. We have enough scoring contrary to what most people think... you can score without "scorers", its called turnovers and great passing. Get our top two scorers to move the ball more and watch our team shooting percentage increase dramatically. If I could I would add a defensive bigman to really solidify our defense. I just dont think we need to make any drastic changes.. it all depends on Melo and JR becoming more team oriented.

These guys have been in the NBA for along time they arent going to walk in next year and drastically change their games.This team is stuck for the next 2 years. The Knicks only hope is they clean house in 2015 and Melo takes a cap friendly deal. If he doesnt do that i think we should move on from him. The Knicks need to make Melo at least the teams 2nd best player or they arent winning a championship.There is no way with small tweaks this team is winning anymore then they did this year.Even if they luck into a perennial All Star at 24 it still wont be enough for next season.I hate to be Doom and Gloom but its the truth.

why even ask carmelo to take a lesser deal.. that isn't going to happen.. trade him while you can..sell high.. start rebuilding now... if the knicks believe in shumpert start him, and get him a PG or a wing ala paul george who can develop with him... don't waste these years with carmelo and early exits.. he is not changing...

The problem with this is we have no 2014 Draft pick. I would be perfectly fine with this way of thinking if we had it. Knicks could probably deal Melo for a high lottery pick in this draft. U then suck next season and get another high lottery pick.Suck again and get another high lottery pick. Now U have 3 high Lottery picks on the team. Chandler gets dealt for more picks. Anybody on the team is dealt for 2nd round picks that we can shed if need be in 2015. U go into FA in 2015 with 40 Million in cap space and 3 Top 8 Draft picks on the roster.

CrushAlot wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

tkf wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Stevo718 wrote:Adding a tall defensive rebounder would help... any suggestions? I would like to have Melo at sf the majority of the time and id like to see Melo and JR to average 4.5 assists per game. We have enough scoring contrary to what most people think... you can score without "scorers", its called turnovers and great passing. Get our top two scorers to move the ball more and watch our team shooting percentage increase dramatically. If I could I would add a defensive bigman to really solidify our defense. I just dont think we need to make any drastic changes.. it all depends on Melo and JR becoming more team oriented.

These guys have been in the NBA for along time they arent going to walk in next year and drastically change their games.This team is stuck for the next 2 years. The Knicks only hope is they clean house in 2015 and Melo takes a cap friendly deal. If he doesnt do that i think we should move on from him. The Knicks need to make Melo at least the teams 2nd best player or they arent winning a championship.There is no way with small tweaks this team is winning anymore then they did this year.Even if they luck into a perennial All Star at 24 it still wont be enough for next season.I hate to be Doom and Gloom but its the truth.

why even ask carmelo to take a lesser deal.. that isn't going to happen.. trade him while you can..sell high.. start rebuilding now... if the knicks believe in shumpert start him, and get him a PG or a wing ala paul george who can develop with him... don't waste these years with carmelo and early exits.. he is not changing...

The problem with this is we have no 2014 Draft pick. I would be perfectly fine with this way of thinking if we had it. Knicks could probably deal Melo for a high lottery pick in this draft. U then suck next season and get another high lottery pick.Suck again and get another high lottery pick. Now U have 3 high Lottery picks on the team. Chandler gets dealt for more picks. Anybody on the team is dealt for 2nd round picks that we can shed if need be in 2015. U go into FA in 2015 with 40 Million in cap space and 3 Top 8 Draft picks on the roster.

There are a lot of problems with 'this'. You don't trade Melo so you can build around Shump. I also don't think the Knicks are wasting these years not developing other players with Shump. Shumpert is a good nba player not a top 5 guy. He is a guy that was drafted to build around Melo.

if true you have to feel for the kid since what you are suggesting is impossible...

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I hate to be negative but i think this year was really our best chance considering our age and no assets to get anyone significant. I mean 54 wins was really nice but i was expecting at least a ECF finals appearance. Look miami is number 1 as long as the big 3 are together, Chicago will be better next year when rose is back, and even the pacers are better than us right now. I mean we are a playoff team but at best we are looking at a secodn round series again. Our 2014 and 2016 draft picks are under the control of Denver so i guess we just ahve to wait until the big contracts are off the books like amare melo and tyson

I can see being negative and I agree about it being the best chance for the knicks with last years roster. However, Grunwald remade most of the roster last year with almost no cap space or assets. Everything starts with the draft and then the after the moratorium. One thing I have become excited about over the many years of missing the playoffs is the draft and what happens in the offseason. I think what the Knicks do in the draft will be the start of good things.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:I hate to be negative but i think this year was really our best chance considering our age and no assets to get anyone significant. I mean 54 wins was really nice but i was expecting at least a ECF finals appearance. Look miami is number 1 as long as the big 3 are together, Chicago will be better next year when rose is back, and even the pacers are better than us right now. I mean we are a playoff team but at best we are looking at a secodn round series again. Our 2014 and 2016 draft picks are under the control of Denver so i guess we just ahve to wait until the big contracts are off the books like amare melo and tyson

I can see being negative and I agree about it being the best chance for the knicks with last years roster. However, Grunwald remade most of the roster last year with almost no cap space or assets. Everything starts with the draft and then the after the moratorium. One thing I have become excited about over the many years of missing the playoffs is the draft and what happens in the offseason. I think what the Knicks do in the draft will be the start of good things.

I agree but to be fair the 2013 draft is one of the weaker drafts in the last few years. Im concerned about Melo's shoulder, obviously Amare's knees are in bad shape, and jr smith is streaky on and off the court lol