Gooooooooooo Spurs!

BRIGGS wrote:Because we are simply cash-strapped--we need to make use of the SL to help facilitate the area of improvement to the big club. Whether on our team or on another SL team--we need to identify a few players who can help play roles on our club draft well and then the coach has to utilize these assets next year. The next month will be very important for the Knicks over next two years. Also I hope Tyson Chandler is somewhere practicing both a 12 footer and 1-2 post moves. If Tyson came back and was able to avg 14 points Shumpert is healthy and game expanded Carmelo is healthy and we find a gem or two in the draft and 1-2 other solid role player types--I see no reason why we cant be at or near the tope next year. But we need to execute and work hard starting in 9 days and forward.

Definitely agree with the first part. Been saying the same things for the longest time and I've given a whole list of solid young players we could get for the right price to fill all of these holes. I think they understand what they need to do for next year. Berman has an article up where Isiah Thomas is saying the Knicks need to pattern themselves after the Spurs. We all know Isiah is still very much attached to this team in some capacity, close to Grunwald, etc. They probably all understand this is the way they need to go now.

I don't agree with you on Tyson though. Man I hope you're right but I just don't see it -- this dude is who he is, don't ya think? He's a 12-yr veteran that's already won a championship and got the big payday. Even though I'd argue that he's a severally flawed player, there's no denying that he is productive somewhat and based on his track history and current double-double production, I think the perception is that he's a great player, even in Tyson's own mind....I think a complacency has set in with him at this stage. The perception of who this guy is based on the decent production just doesn't fit who he really is if you watch him carefully game in & game out. That's why I kinda agree with what some others like RonRon are saying: I'd entertain the idea of trading him if we could get a decent haul in return. I understand it'd instantly leave a hole in the middle but it's a hole we could easily patch on the fly w/o too much trouble. At a minimum, you go get me Marcus Cousin and a Jordan Williams -- to me that's an upgrade over Tyson Chandler point blank. The rebounding is more than replaced by both players (both are good rebounders, esp. Williams) and each is simply a much better offensive player, esp. Cousin. Like I said, this is just one option, an option I happen to like a lot and would be completely comfortable with. It's also an option that completely doable. 2 players that are a phone call away and guys we could get for league minimum-type money....I just don't see Tyson as the type that wants to get any better, wants more responsibility (despite what he may say from time to time), takes the rap when things go badly, etc. I see him more as a complacent type, esp. at this juncture in his career, and a guy that's always at the ready to point fingers at someone/something else like the refs (on every single foul call against him in fact which is quite tiresome), an illness, his teammates -- never his fault. What did he say after the Indy series -- first his teammates were playing selfish (right smack in the middle of the series, causing quite a bit of commotion that Melo had to answer for with the press --- what kind of leader pulls stuff like that??), then he was playing sick and finally he 'gave everything he had.' Never once heard him say he was terrible and needs to improve certain things. To ask this guy to do a 180 attitude-wise, suddenly average 5 more point a game, come up with go-to post moves, etc., I just don't see that at this point in his career. You gotta want that -- Amar'e, for all his problems, actually is that rare vet player that wants that for himself. Let's see -- Amar'e's already signed up to work with The Dream just like he did last year. Let's see if Chandler shows up this time. No Olympics this year so he's got the time. We're talking about a week or 2 out of his summer. See, Amar'e's willing to do that. I just don't see the same mindset from Tyson.

Finestrg wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Because we are simply cash-strapped--we need to make use of the SL to help facilitate the area of improvement to the big club. Whether on our team or on another SL team--we need to identify a few players who can help play roles on our club draft well and then the coach has to utilize these assets next year. The next month will be very important for the Knicks over next two years. Also I hope Tyson Chandler is somewhere practicing both a 12 footer and 1-2 post moves. If Tyson came back and was able to avg 14 points Shumpert is healthy and game expanded Carmelo is healthy and we find a gem or two in the draft and 1-2 other solid role player types--I see no reason why we cant be at or near the tope next year. But we need to execute and work hard starting in 9 days and forward.

Definitely agree with the first part. Been saying the same things for the longest time and I've given a whole list of solid young players we could get for the right price to fill all of these holes. I think they understand what they need to do for next year. Berman has an article up where Isiah Thomas is saying the Knicks need to pattern themselves after the Spurs. We all know Isiah is still very much attached to this team in some capacity, close to Grunwald, etc. They probably all understand this is the way they need to go now.

I don't agree with you on Tyson though. Man I hope you're right but I just don't see it -- this dude is who he is, don't ya think? He's a 12-yr veteran that's already won a championship and got the big payday. Even though I'd argue that he's a severally flawed player, there's no denying that he is productive somewhat and based on his track history and current double-double production, I think the perception is that he's a great player, even in Tyson's own mind....I think a complacency has set in with him at this stage. The perception of who this guy is based on the decent production just doesn't fit who he really is if you watch him carefully game in & game out. That's why I kinda agree with what some others like RonRon are saying: I'd entertain the idea of trading him if we could get a decent haul in return. I understand it'd instantly leave a hole in the middle but it's a hole we could easily patch on the fly w/o too much trouble. At a minimum, you go get me Marcus Cousin and a Jordan Williams -- to me that's an upgrade over Tyson Chandler point blank. The rebounding is more than replaced by both players (both are good rebounders, esp. Williams) and each is simply a much better offensive player, esp. Cousin. Like I said, this is just one option, an option I happen to like a lot and would be completely comfortable with. It's also an option that completely doable. 2 players that are a phone call away and guys we could get for league minimum-type money....I just don't see Tyson as the type that wants to get any better, wants more responsibility (despite what he may say from time to time), takes the rap when things go badly, etc. I see him more as a complacent type, esp. at this juncture in his career, and a guy that's always at the ready to point fingers at someone/something else like the refs (on every single foul call against him in fact which is quite tiresome), an illness, his teammates -- never his fault. What did he say after the Indy series -- first his teammates were playing selfish (right smack in the middle of the series, causing quite a bit of commotion that Melo had to answer for with the press --- what kind of leader pulls stuff like that??), then he was playing sick and finally he 'gave everything he had.' Never once heard him say he was terrible and needs to improve certain things. To ask this guy to do a 180 attitude-wise, suddenly average 5 more point a game, come up with go-to post moves, etc., I just don't see that at this point in his career. You gotta want that -- Amar'e, for all his problems, actually is that rare vet player that wants that for himself. Let's see -- Amar'e's already signed up to work with The Dream just like he did last year. Let's see if Chandler shows up this time. No Olympics this year so he's got the time. We're talking about a week or 2 out of his summer. See, Amar'e's willing to do that. I just don't see the same mindset from Tyson.

Fine--I think the Knicks are committed to Tyson. He's very expensive hard for any team to trade for. Could they make a deal for Tyson--I think yes they could. But lets take a look at our frontline as it stands.

We have no idea about Amare
We have 0 idea if Kmart will sign back here or if he can give us a full year.
Marcus Camby is under contract--how long before he is hurt?

Tyson is the only guaranteed thing we have on the frontline and we can play Carmelo at 4. I want us to draft Muscala because I believe he can give us help this year at 4 and go big and develop into a fine 4 over the next 3 years. This will also help cut into Amares minutes to keep him fresh. I think the Knicks like Dieng and Mitchell first because they are more physically ready but both are not likely to fall to 24. Withey--hes a 220 pound Travis Knight second string C--no. Foreign big? No Mike Muscala is the only reasonable choice for us and hes going to be good. I think we can see a pile of PGs that will be available in the 2nd round--we have 3mm to spend if need be and we can take back 1mm in salary.I think we can set ourselves up for a very decent back up PG by buying a pick. Muscala as a need and really best Big available--and hes going to be very very solid. But can we give up Tyson? Unless we get a big back---the way we are set up I do not think so--my hope is Tyson works hard and gets better.

BRIGGS wrote:Because we are simply cash-strapped--we need to make use of the SL to help facilitate the area of improvement to the big club. Whether on our team or on another SL team--we need to identify a few players who can help play roles on our club draft well and then the coach has to utilize these assets next year. The next month will be very important for the Knicks over next two years. Also I hope Tyson Chandler is somewhere practicing both a 12 footer and 1-2 post moves. If Tyson came back and was able to avg 14 points Shumpert is healthy and game expanded Carmelo is healthy and we find a gem or two in the draft and 1-2 other solid role player types--I see no reason why we cant be at or near the tope next year. But we need to execute and work hard starting in 9 days and forward.

We had a few yrs where guys performed relatively well in SL....what did tkf call him....?....Morris "All Nut No Joy" Almond/Fields/Shumpert it hasn't really amounted to much. Matter of fact SL hasn't proven much over the yrs to any significant degree besides trying to find guys who should make a roster. It's one thing to be good enough to make a roster, and another thing to have impact to the degree you become a significant rotation player on a contending team.

Heck Jeremy Lin broke John Wall down in SL and he was told GTFO by a few teams. Summer League is more a passing of time for fans and networking between teams in hopes for trades.

It can also be a time for execs to hide behind dumpsters at a 5 star hotel restaurant, retreat to tornado shelter areas, crawl up in HVAC ducts, hide in a linen closet in a master sweet, scale the elevator shaft, combination lock themselves in the casino vault, David Copperfield themselves in a chest at the bottom of the swimming pool, hide in the trunk of the shuttle bus at the top of a parking garage, tunnel themselves phantom of the opera style under the foundation of MGM Grand....

just to avoid an Offer Sheet

Nate The Great went off in SL and where is Nate today? And what did Nate prove to be for us?

overall, i LIKE our team...we just need to tweak the depth...keep the core the same

callmened wrote:I think you can win with Tyson still. WOW he took a bad wrap for his play vs Hibbert and rightfully so. But hes still avery productive center. OF COURSE hes over paid but we have no other choice. As mentioned earlier, Stat, Kmart and Camby are all question marks.

overall, i LIKE our team...we just need to tweak the depth...keep the core the same