Jmpasq wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Colton Iverson--I would not be surprised if he ended up being the best C in this draft. I've been pretty good at looking at big guys--and to me he is the only guy that I like from the C position in this whole draft. He's big and very skilled--much more skilled than any other big guy.

Only center in the Whole draft , really? I think there are a few very capable Centers. I like Dieng not as a starter but I think he can be a solid back up Center. Just saw that Col st played Lville in the tournament going to find that game. A lot of the prospects u guys keep listing on here I cant find full game tapes on and highlights to me are worthless. It shows there athletic level but doesnt show there overall BB IQ

I like Len a lot as well. He has the frame and a wide array of Offensive skill.His Defensive rebounding needs work and he needs to finish at a higher rate. He is however far more developed offensively at 20 then many prospects at his age.

JM--Its hard to disseminate a really good school with a go player versus a school that is 10 times better. Also the college game is a much different animal than the pros. Obviously you need athletic translation--in many cases--can this guy do that in the big leagues. In Iversons case hes more than athletic enough but hes also 265 pounds versus Dieng 230. Dieng has developed a little jumper but I want to know how he is going to stand up as a back up C at 230 pounds to 260-280? In my own personal view---when you say C to me that is 6-10 250+++

BRIGGS wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Colton Iverson--I would not be surprised if he ended up being the best C in this draft. I've been pretty good at looking at big guys--and to me he is the only guy that I like from the C position in this whole draft. He's big and very skilled--much more skilled than any other big guy.

Only center in the Whole draft , really? I think there are a few very capable Centers. I like Dieng not as a starter but I think he can be a solid back up Center. Just saw that Col st played Lville in the tournament going to find that game. A lot of the prospects u guys keep listing on here I cant find full game tapes on and highlights to me are worthless. It shows there athletic level but doesnt show there overall BB IQ

I like Len a lot as well. He has the frame and a wide array of Offensive skill.His Defensive rebounding needs work and he needs to finish at a higher rate. He is however far more developed offensively at 20 then many prospects at his age.

JM--Its hard to disseminate a really good school with a go player versus a school that is 10 times better. Also the college game is a much different animal than the pros. Obviously you need athletic translation--in many cases--can this guy do that in the big leagues. In Iversons case hes more than athletic enough but hes also 265 pounds versus Dieng 230. Dieng has developed a little jumper but I want to know how he is going to stand up as a back up C at 230 pounds to 260-280? In my own personal view---when you say C to me that is 6-10 250+++

Jmpasq wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Colton Iverson--I would not be surprised if he ended up being the best C in this draft. I've been pretty good at looking at big guys--and to me he is the only guy that I like from the C position in this whole draft. He's big and very skilled--much more skilled than any other big guy.

Only center in the Whole draft , really? I think there are a few very capable Centers. I like Dieng not as a starter but I think he can be a solid back up Center. Just saw that Col st played Lville in the tournament going to find that game. A lot of the prospects u guys keep listing on here I cant find full game tapes on and highlights to me are worthless. It shows there athletic level but doesnt show there overall BB IQ

I like Len a lot as well. He has the frame and a wide array of Offensive skill.His Defensive rebounding needs work and he needs to finish at a higher rate. He is however far more developed offensively at 20 then many prospects at his age.

JM--Its hard to disseminate a really good school with a go player versus a school that is 10 times better. Also the college game is a much different animal than the pros. Obviously you need athletic translation--in many cases--can this guy do that in the big leagues. In Iversons case hes more than athletic enough but hes also 265 pounds versus Dieng 230. Dieng has developed a little jumper but I want to know how he is going to stand up as a back up C at 230 pounds to 260-280? In my own personal view---when you say C to me that is 6-10 250+++

I thought Deng was 245. How many Centers are legitimately 280 in the NBA today? Roy Hibbert, Dwight Howard isnt even 280. I understand the need for a bulky post defender but how many teams have 260+ post scorers. Can he move laterally at all? Can he defend the rim and alter shots?Is he just a guy that stands in 1 spot and cant move? I will go watch game footage of him but from that video his lack of athletic ability is evident

How did Brad Miller move? How good was he? There are more factors in the 5 position than any other spot.

Jmpasq wrote:Was his lack of athletic ability exposed in the Big 10 and thats why he wasnt effective there? I dont know im just asking but its a legitimate "?".

Here are the numbers against ranked opponents during the regular season

New Mexico # 14 15 pts 14 rebounds 2 blocks 2 assists
San Diego State#15 18-pts 11 rebounds 2 blocks 2 assists
New Mexico again #16 26 points 15 rebounds 1-1
Conference final against UNLV 24 points 16 rebounds
Louisville number 1 overall and champs 9 points 7 rebounds 2 blocks 2 assists

Remember this team was a pretty high RPI(20 overall) team--they played good teams all year and got to round 2 of NCAA's

Vmart wrote:Dieng, Muscala and Gobert I would take them and send them immediately to Hakeem for training.

Muscala is a 4 there is no doubt about that. He is not a 5 man.

BRIGGS wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Was his lack of athletic ability exposed in the Big 10 and thats why he wasnt effective there? I dont know im just asking but its a legitimate "?".

Here are the numbers against ranked opponents during the regular season

New Mexico # 14 15 pts 14 rebounds 2 blocks 2 assists
San Diego State#15 18-pts 11 rebounds 2 blocks 2 assists
New Mexico again #16 26 points 15 rebounds 1-1
Conference final against UNLV 24 points 16 rebounds
Louisville number 1 overall and champs 9 points 7 rebounds 2 blocks 2 assists

Remember this team was a pretty high RPI(20 overall) team--they played good teams all year and got to round 2 of NCAA's

Thats pretty impressive just was curious why in the Big 10 he was averaging less then 20 minutes a game as a Junior. The offense not a good fit? Im going to watch the Louisville game when I get home