Now it comes out from the opponent , what I have said all along the Knicks were the better team but were out coached.

From Indiana coach Frank Vogel:

"They had a more intelligent plan against Roy Hibbert than New York did and we've got to adjust to it," Vogel told reporters with the Pacers in Miami. "It was effective [Wednesday night] and we've got to adjust to it."

It's unclear if Vogel meant it as a direct criticism of Woodson, but it's hard to misinterpret his words: he was ripping the Knicks' offensive scheme against Hibbert.

The Knicks allowed Hibbert to camp out in the paint on defense in their second-round series. In doing so, Hibbert made life difficult for the Knicks at the rim. He had 19 blocks in six games and was able to help the Pacers control the boards (Indiana outrebounded New York by 10.4 rebounds per game).

Woodson at times drew Hibbert from the paint by placing shooters such as Chris Copeland on the floor, but he did not use that strategy often.
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How could we as fans see and know this but a GUY GETTING PAID MILLIONS NOT ?

Vogel wasn't the only observer to critique Woodson's coaching performance against the Pacers.

Woodson also took criticism for failing to play Copeland until the final two games of the series. Woodson also went with a bigger starting lineup in Game 4 of the series; the move backfired, as the Knicks lost by 11 and were crushed on the boards.

"I really haven't heard the criticism because I don't read it that much," Woodson said on Monday. "I'm my own biggest critic."
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http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/44988/frank-vogel-criticizes-woodson

I often wondered about Woodson's decisions not to play Camby if he was able to play saw no time against Hibbert? Why he felt Novak could provide nothing to the team effort when we couldn't shoot?

playa2 wrote:You would think, with Melo grimacing and playing with a shoulder brace and J.R having Starks Meltdown mentally, he would have inserted his shooters Copeland and Novak with 2 other defensive players and Felton OR Prigioni.

Who on the Pacers can Novak defend??

holfresh wrote:Maybe Woodson should have Chandler work on his three point shooting so he gets proficient at it like Bosh, that way next time Knick play the Pacers, we can have Chandler camp out at the three point line like Bosh..Isn't that why Hibbert was on the bench at the end of the game, they were afraid Bosh would blow by him on the way to the hoop??

I came in here to say this. Before Hibbert was taken out, the Heat had torched him on a few plays earlier by pulling him away from the basket to guard Bosh. Your only as smart as the roster you have at your disposal....We didn't have the players to exploit the slow footed Hibbert and pull him away from the basket....

playa2 wrote:

Now it comes out from the opponent , what I have said all along the Knicks were the better team but were out coached.

From Indiana coach Frank Vogel:

"They had a more intelligent plan against Roy Hibbert than New York did and we've got to adjust to it," Vogel told reporters with the Pacers in Miami. "It was effective [Wednesday night] and we've got to adjust to it."

It's unclear if Vogel meant it as a direct criticism of Woodson, but it's hard to misinterpret his words: he was ripping the Knicks' offensive scheme against Hibbert.

The Knicks allowed Hibbert to camp out in the paint on defense in their second-round series. In doing so, Hibbert made life difficult for the Knicks at the rim. He had 19 blocks in six games and was able to help the Pacers control the boards (Indiana outrebounded New York by 10.4 rebounds per game).

Woodson at times drew Hibbert from the paint by placing shooters such as Chris Copeland on the floor, but he did not use that strategy often.
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How could we as fans see and know this but a GUY GETTING PAID MILLIONS NOT ?

Vogel wasn't the only observer to critique Woodson's coaching performance against the Pacers.

Woodson also took criticism for failing to play Copeland until the final two games of the series. Woodson also went with a bigger starting lineup in Game 4 of the series; the move backfired, as the Knicks lost by 11 and were crushed on the boards.

"I really haven't heard the criticism because I don't read it that much," Woodson said on Monday. "I'm my own biggest critic."
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http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/44988/frank-vogel-criticizes-woodson

SERIOUSLY... someone please take this dudes keyboard away... please!!

Playa the better team won..... STOP IT.....

martin, how can we continue to let someone create the same thread over and over again.. seriously.. this is spamming the board...

tkf wrote:
SERIOUSLY... someone please take this dudes keyboard away... please!!

Playa the better team won..... STOP IT.....

martin, how can we continue to let someone create the same thread over and over again.. seriously.. this is spamming the board...

Has playa created the same thread over and over? A quick look at the first couple of pages indicates he has not. Show me some examples.

Film at eleven

Andrew wrote:

tkf wrote:
SERIOUSLY... someone please take this dudes keyboard away... please!!

Playa the better team won..... STOP IT.....

martin, how can we continue to let someone create the same thread over and over again.. seriously.. this is spamming the board...

Has playa created the same thread over and over? A quick look at the first couple of pages indicates he has not. Show me some examples.

ok, over and over may be a bit of an exaggeration andrew but here is a link to a thread he created

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=44733 "Indiana won, but the best team didn't win"

this thread has a different title, but is pretty much a carbon copy of that same thread...

it is a way to bait, because he is going to get the same responses and then complain about the responses he will get...

this is playa's way of spamming.. If you ask me, but whatever...

knickscity wrote:

tkf wrote:

playa2 wrote:

Now it comes out from the opponent , what I have said all along the Knicks were the better team but were out coached.

From Indiana coach Frank Vogel:

"They had a more intelligent plan against Roy Hibbert than New York did and we've got to adjust to it," Vogel told reporters with the Pacers in Miami. "It was effective [Wednesday night] and we've got to adjust to it."

It's unclear if Vogel meant it as a direct criticism of Woodson, but it's hard to misinterpret his words: he was ripping the Knicks' offensive scheme against Hibbert.

The Knicks allowed Hibbert to camp out in the paint on defense in their second-round series. In doing so, Hibbert made life difficult for the Knicks at the rim. He had 19 blocks in six games and was able to help the Pacers control the boards (Indiana outrebounded New York by 10.4 rebounds per game).

Woodson at times drew Hibbert from the paint by placing shooters such as Chris Copeland on the floor, but he did not use that strategy often.
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How could we as fans see and know this but a GUY GETTING PAID MILLIONS NOT ?

Vogel wasn't the only observer to critique Woodson's coaching performance against the Pacers.

Woodson also took criticism for failing to play Copeland until the final two games of the series. Woodson also went with a bigger starting lineup in Game 4 of the series; the move backfired, as the Knicks lost by 11 and were crushed on the boards.

"I really haven't heard the criticism because I don't read it that much," Woodson said on Monday. "I'm my own biggest critic."
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HE NEEDS TO READ ULTIMATEKNICKS !

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/44988/frank-vogel-criticizes-woodson

SERIOUSLY... someone please take this dudes keyboard away... please!!

Playa the better team won..... STOP IT.....

martin, how can we continue to let someone create the same thread over and over again.. seriously.. this is spamming the board...

He has the same viewpoint, but the threads are NOT the same at all.

You of all people should never criticize another poster for injecting the same thoughts into multiple threads.

injecting and starting threads is a different story... had he made this thread to talk about what vogel said, that would be different, he used it again to push his agenda... thats all... Knicks lost because indy was better, and being out coached is part of the other team being better unless coaching doesn't count.... The game involves coaches and the players... I don't care if you inject your thoughts, but this thread wasn't really about what vogel said.. not for playa at least..now I read some of the responses and it seems for the most part posters steered away from playas agenda... thank god.