“I think that we have a lot of bad possessions where we don’t really have any cohesiveness. ... We’re just sorta out there, and it becomes watching whoever has the ball,” Shumpert said. “You can’t do that.”

I think we all had some frustrated moments yelling at the TV during the season and the playoffs where it looks like the team is doing this. I for sure have yelled at my TV as the shot clock ticks down "What are we DOING on offense? Why is everyone standing around?!"

The PG is supposed to run the offense and make sure that possessions are cohesive.

The issue might just be that we don't really have a starting caliber PG on our roster. We have 3 PGs that are all good at different things.

Felton is the best at getting into the paint, the quickest, coming off screens and popping that midrange J. He's not terrible on defense. But he doesn't really command respect as a floor general, has an inconsistent outside shot, and gets flustered if he feels calls aren't going our way.

Kidd has super high basketball IQ and always stays calm but he's running on fumes at this point and it's hard to lead when you can't stay on the court because you're J has completely abandoned you. He rarely looks to take it to the hole and it's sad watching him whiff on wide open layups.

Prigioni is unselfish as hell. I feel like when he's on the floor he actually tries to make the team y'know..play together instead off just taking turns going one on one. Best outside shooter of the bunch, hardnosed defender but again nowhere near as aggressive as a standard NBA PG is in terms of getting into the paint, etc.

If you merged all three of these guys into one player they'd be a starting caliber PG. Can you win or even contend for a championship with your critical floor general position looking like this?

Miami did it with Chalmers but Lebron is running the show and their talent level elsewhere was ridiculous.

The Lakers did it but the triangle doesn't need an elite PG to work and again the talent of the Kobe/Shaq squads and the Kobe/Pau/Bynum/Odom teams were clearly elite.

The only other teams I can remember that won chips and had giant ?s at PG were Boston with Rondo and the Spurs with Tony Parker and both of those guys ended up being elite PGs who just needed time.

AnubisADL wrote:Knicks dont have a PG. Felton is a SG in a PG's body.

This is why Kidd played heavy minutes even when he couldn't buy a basket.

Kidd isn't a pg anymore and was beyond awful in that role. Hopefully he will be a 10-15 min. SG.

TeamBall wrote:I thought was equally a shot at Woody along with the rest of the team. Your coach should notice the stagnation and put an end to it but it kept occurring for us over and over again.

Dunno if anyone else remembers this but after Cope got hot in Game 6 and we were tied or maybe up a point we bring the ball up the court.

You can see Cope about to do run to his spot and then the announcer says

Woodson telling ______ to get the ball to Melo

You can actually see Cope get frustrated and literally throw his hands up and then jog over to join everyone else so we can iso Melo on one side of the floor.

Melo ended up turning the ball over on that possession I think but it's not the result that I hate.

It's that instinct that Woody and Melo have in tight moments to simply abandon any type of offensive principles, system and just do the predictable iso thing.

Melo is by far our best offensive player and the ball should touch his hands every possession but if we're laying TEAM BALL then the ball will eventually hit Melo's hands...perhaps with the opposing defense scrambling from having to cover the other 4 guys vs. with everyone just waiting to shut Melo down when he beats his man.

Kind of defies the whole beauty of basketball to do this. Makes me sad.

combined with Linsanity?

Game 6 "IsoMelo" was his moment to convert the Somber to the Moobyites we all want to be!

I want to believe!

So now we fans are blaming those around Melo and the coach?

Somewhere George Karl is over his first round bounch and shaking his head!

Seems to me its the Roster.

Team: Players, Coaches, Exec and owner!

TeamBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:
I like woodson. Liked MDA. I liked Larry. I liked Wilkens, I liked Chaney and JVG.

Seems to me its the Roster.

Team: Players, Coaches, Exec and owner!

I pretty much agree. I just dont like D'antoni. I dont know what you're trying to imply exactly.

Seems like we as fans dump on the coach for the failure's.

Woody been taking his lumps of late.

Just sounds familiar.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

TeamBall wrote:I thought was equally a shot at Woody along with the rest of the team. Your coach should notice the stagnation and put an end to it but it kept occurring for us over and over again.

Dunno if anyone else remembers this but after Cope got hot in Game 6 and we were tied or maybe up a point we bring the ball up the court.

You can see Cope about to do run to his spot and then the announcer says

Woodson telling ______ to get the ball to Melo

You can actually see Cope get frustrated and literally throw his hands up and then jog over to join everyone else so we can iso Melo on one side of the floor.

Melo ended up turning the ball over on that possession I think but it's not the result that I hate.

It's that instinct that Woody and Melo have in tight moments to simply abandon any type of offensive principles, system and just do the predictable iso thing.

Melo is by far our best offensive player and the ball should touch his hands every possession but if we're laying TEAM BALL then the ball will eventually hit Melo's hands...perhaps with the opposing defense scrambling from having to cover the other 4 guys vs. with everyone just waiting to shut Melo down when he beats his man.

Kind of defies the whole beauty of basketball to do this. Makes me sad.

PRETTY much what Dantoni said...

It was familiar D’Antoni, breaking out the classics like “the ball finds energy” for why he does not call plays or care for players asking for touches.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/20121115mike-dantoni-starts-job-new-knowing-whats-expected.html

Nalod wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:
I like woodson. Liked MDA. I liked Larry. I liked Wilkens, I liked Chaney and JVG.

Seems to me its the Roster.

Team: Players, Coaches, Exec and owner!

I pretty much agree. I just dont like D'antoni. I dont know what you're trying to imply exactly.

Seems like we as fans dump on the coach for the failure's.

Woody been taking his lumps of late.

Just sounds familiar.

I actually liked MDA. People took him to task for failing to communicate with his players and I think they had a right to.

I like Woodson. It seems like the players want to play hard for him. He got JR to play the best ball of his career. He holds people accountable for defending.

I hope he evolves as a coach. I hope the team evolves. I hope Melo evolves so that we don't see another playoff game where all of them collectively come to the conclusion that our only hope of winning a series against a legit team is

Have Melo wave off everyone and go iso for multiple possessions in a row like we saw in that Celtics series and at the end of game 6.
There has to be a better way to get buckets. There has to be a better way of getting Melo the ball in a position to score without having to work so damn hard.

That's all I'm saying.