Shumpert reflected on where the team ran into trouble, saying the offense needs to be adjusted next season.

"We need some more continuity as far as running something that everybody knows we're in it -- just something with more pace," he said. "We have a lot of dead possessions where we don't really have any cohesiveness. We're just sort of out there and it becomes watching whoever has the ball."

I can't agree more and it's a common theme from every observer that has commented on the Knicks offense. They had their moments when the ball and player movement was good, but overall it's nothing like the precision offense you see with a team like the Spurs. That should be the kind of smart and efficient offense this team plays. Woody has to take responsibility for that.

Woody often seems to display poor instincts offensively. Guys will be hot and then he'll take them out or he'll go too long with a player that isn't giving us anything. He'll give up on a guy like Novak rather than design plays that will give Novak a chance to get off good shots. Most teams with a gunner like him will specifically run sets that will create space for their best 3pt shooter. We used to have those sets for Novak, but they have barely been used by Woody. What's the point of having your coaching staff keep stats if you're going to ignore the best statistical shooters you have on your team? How do you not know that Prigs is a plus player and that Cope is one of your top FG% scorers?

Many of us were worried about this guy getting simplistic in the playoffs and that's EXACTLY what happened. Hope that Grunwald talked to Woody about that in his exit interview.

this was brutal post season to watch and the pacers series was uglier than any series in the history of nba within last 18 years

nixluva wrote:After watching this team under Woodson for a full season it's clearer now that the fears I had about his offensive skills were well founded. He's just not doing what he needs to be doing to help put this team over the top. Reading comments from the players it reaffirms my observations.

Shumpert reflected on where the team ran into trouble, saying the offense needs to be adjusted next season.

"We need some more continuity as far as running something that everybody knows we're in it -- just something with more pace," he said. "We have a lot of dead possessions where we don't really have any cohesiveness. We're just sort of out there and it becomes watching whoever has the ball."

I can't agree more and it's a common theme from every observer that has commented on the Knicks offense. They had their moments when the ball and player movement was good, but overall it's nothing like the precision offense you see with a team like the Spurs. That should be the kind of smart and efficient offense this team plays. Woody has to take responsibility for that.

Woody often seems to display poor instincts offensively. Guys will be hot and then he'll take them out or he'll go too long with a player that isn't giving us anything. He'll give up on a guy like Novak rather than design plays that will give Novak a chance to get off good shots. Most teams with a gunner like him will specifically run sets that will create space for their best 3pt shooter. We used to have those sets for Novak, but they have barely been used by Woody. What's the point of having your coaching staff keep stats if you're going to ignore the best statistical shooters you have on your team? How do you not know that Prigs is a plus player and that Cope is one of your top FG% scorers?

Many of us were worried about this guy getting simplistic in the playoffs and that's EXACTLY what happened. Hope that Grunwald talked to Woody about that in his exit interview.

Shump is absolutely on the button, mean while, Melo is satisfied with the teams accomplishments and the baby steps we have taken, Here's a guy who's been in the DAMN LEAGUE FOR 10 YRS, taking about baby steps and correcting little things..WILL SOMEBODY SMACK THIS DUDE AND WAKE HIM UP..

who can run an offense with this dude, remember when he got here AMRARE Had to beg the dude to stick to the game plan, were on a losing streak and all melo could say was "MAN WE JUST NEED TO PLAY BASKETBALL and not worried about anything else" Translation "MAN I DONT NEED NO PLAYS JUST GIVE ME THE BALL AND IM A SCORE"

YOU know why we led the league in the fewest turnovers, because we led the league in fewest assist
One guy gets the ball, one guy shoots the ball.

YOU know we get out rebounded damn near every night, One guy gets the ball, and everybody clears to one side of the court while melo or jr as the other side, nobody is in position to rebound, balls sailing over their heads, late boxing out cause your guards have switched on a big and your bigs are guarding the smalls

I would like someone to point out one, just good one thing that woodson has done in the playoffs since his been here, something that makes me think other wise, because right now, he's scratching ball head thinking WTF am i doing? Jumping shooting offense with a few screens..he's the one that needs some offseason training with some elite coaches

Why isn't no one ranting about woodson hiring some kind of a offensive coach like they were ranting about MDA hiring a defensive coach..

JamesKPolk wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:I thought you said Woodson was running D'Antoni's system.

If isolation is D'Antoni's system then people don't know basketball.

AnubisADL and CrushAlot are of course remembering that I did point out when Woody was running a lot of MDA's style BB early in the season and I might add that that style of play was when this team was most successful this year. Of course he didn't really run MDA's system in full as it's got over a 100 plays and multiple variations of those same plays and none of them are ISO plays. Any ISO that happens comes as a matter of last resort as it should since it's some of the least efficient BB there is.

Shump was making the point that when they got into the ISO stuff everything stopped. This is pretty much what Karl and MDA were not happy with but what Woody went out of his way to put back in after MDA left. Basically those "ME" plays are to make Melo and JR happy. NO ONE else on the team really wants to play that way. The main reason is what the hell are the rest of the players supposed to do while Melo or JR hold the ball for 10-15 seconds before they actually decide to make a move? Sure they can score like that and it all seems good when they do, but in the end you can't win that way. By that I mean win in the Playoffs.

Also just so we get it straight, going one on one is not the same as ISO Ball. You can have a player take his man off the dribble or a post up and have that be part of the flow of the offense. That's not what we're complaining about when it comes to Melo or JR. ISO Ball is much more exaggerated one on one. The ball stops, all player movement stops and his teammates move away if possible to not get in his way. Usually when it's done by Melo or JR it comes at the expense of breaking the play. It's not part of the flow of the offense. There are times at the end of a qtr when you call a clearout, which is fine, but that's not what we're talking about or what Shump, Prigs or Tyson was complaining about. If you watch how teams like SA, MIA, MEM and GS play it's all about ball and player movement and the ball not sticking. They play TEAM BALL, which is really all we're asking for.

AnubisADL wrote:I thought you said Woodson was running D'Antoni's system.

Mike Woodson only runs Mike D'Antoni's system when the Knicks win.

One full season an the mutiny is in full force.

Cool.

Woody has to improve and the offense needs to evolve into more than jumpshots. But I'll take a flawed coach biased towards defense than a flawed coach biased towards offense any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

the author of this topic was still willing to give D'Antoni more time after these almost 4 seasons .... this is not to say that Woodson doesn't have to improve as the players do ... but a bit of balanced judgment would be nice

Wooodyball just hides the fact we have mediocre PG play from Felton, suspect perimeter defense, and no offense in the post.

The Knicks are a jump shooting team. The person who is the best jump shooter is Melo.

Woodson is about getting RESULTS. He isn't committed to a particular style of play on the offensive end.