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Is Copeland a better long-term option then JR?
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Knixkik
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5/17/2013  7:56 AM
He is a more efficient scorer, better 3-point shooter, and bigger. I could see him as a solid 6th man to replace JR's production or even start alongside Melo next season. I hope they can sign him without issues this summer because I would be excited to see Copeland as a core piece for this team moving forward. Although he isn't real young, he's still a rookie without NBA mileage and after a solid rookie year we should expect him to improve a lot over the next couple years.
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5/17/2013  8:17 AM
Knixkik wrote:He is a more efficient scorer, better 3-point shooter, and bigger. I could see him as a solid 6th man to replace JR's production or even start alongside Melo next season. I hope they can sign him without issues this summer because I would be excited to see Copeland as a core piece for this team moving forward. Although he isn't real young, he's still a rookie without NBA mileage and after a solid rookie year we should expect him to improve a lot over the next couple years.

I think he deserves minutes but, I don't think he should replace JR. He should play alongside Anthony like yesterday to help keep the defense honest. He should start at the 3 or 4. Starting Kenyon was a mistake because of his lack of offense. Woodson seems committed to playing Melo at the 4 so, start Cope at the 3.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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5/17/2013  8:30 AM
With Jr's play we may get both. COpeland is a redistricted FA but a team could maybe high ball the knicks to get Cope
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5/17/2013  9:04 AM
i agree. Copeland has been a great surprise but JR is a better investment cuz hes younger and more proven (i cant believe i just said that)
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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5/17/2013  9:13 AM
what the hell has Woodson been doing? Where has Copeland been all season?
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5/17/2013  9:16 AM
He ususally gets owned on the defensive end and I think that's Woody's justification for keeping him on the bench, but he actually made a few nice plays last night.

And he actually hits his shot with consistency.

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5/17/2013  9:27 AM
sealy wrote:He ususally gets owned on the defensive end and I think that's Woody's justification for keeping him on the bench, but he actually made a few nice plays last night.

And he actually hits his shot with consistency.

But why does he let JR play through his mistakes but gives Cope such a short leash when its obvious that he can and will produce when given the minutes. Dude PROVED in the 2nd half of the season that he can be a valuable rotation player.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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5/17/2013  9:31 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/17/2013  9:37 AM
DurzoBlint wrote:
sealy wrote:He ususally gets owned on the defensive end and I think that's Woody's justification for keeping him on the bench, but he actually made a few nice plays last night.

And he actually hits his shot with consistency.

But why does he let JR play through his mistakes but gives Cope such a short leash when its obvious that he can and will produce when given the minutes. Dude PROVED in the 2nd half of the season that he can be a valuable rotation player.

Hey man, I'd love to know the answer to that question as well. I'd also like to know what he has against Prigioni? I thought JR should have gotten the hook late in the 4th last night. JR plays 34 min, stopped hitting and had a big turnover late and Prig plays 22 min.

I just don't get it.

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5/17/2013  9:34 AM
Novak's contract may be the worst on the team besides Amar'e. It might prevent us from signing Copeland to a deal. Hopefully someone will be open to taking Novak off our hands, but I doubt it.
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5/17/2013  9:39 AM
Copeland has a lot of talent. He can rebound if he wants to he plays inside and out with a truly nice 3 pt shot. Hes not a 2g like JR but his own talent is solid. He gives us a dimension we dont have. Hes a LOT more skilled than Novak. I hate this excuse he cant play D--not every player is Hakeem or Rodman--but hes a good player and plays hard--gives great effort. Im not worried about next year yet--I THINK if We are SMART and stay with Copeland Prigioni and keep J Kidd as a spot PG back up--we might be able to give the offensively challenged Pacers a run. Hill is a key and without him they are not as good. We must keep them away from the 3 pt line and not double unless its a perfect situation--and let Chris Copeland play 25 minutes.
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5/17/2013  9:42 AM
Here we go. Welcome to Alzheimers 101.

Copeland has a good game, or hit's one three, and automatically the "Woodson doesn't know how to coach" light comes on.
Cope was in the doghouse most of the latter part of the season due to his almost painfully obvious defensive woes. Does anyone remember any of that?

He was featured quite extensively early on in the season as Priggy's go to guy. Nice cameo; can you hear Grunny thinking in his head:
"hey other teams' GM's, are you watching this guy? Care to float us a draft pick for him at some point in time? And look, he doesn't seem to get hurt, either? Nice, low salary you can have..."

Now Cope is worth more than the SMOTY. SMH.

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5/17/2013  9:44 AM
Hopefully we don't lose JR for nothing. I'm not a fan of his at all but he has some value and it doesn't cost anything other than money to keep him. And we don't have many options for improving the team.
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5/17/2013  9:48 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:Hopefully we don't lose JR for nothing. I'm not a fan of his at all but he has some value and it doesn't cost anything other than money to keep him. And we don't have many options for improving the team.

What if Paul Pierce was willing to be 6th man for 3.5mm?

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5/17/2013  9:50 AM
jrodmc wrote:Here we go. Welcome to Alzheimers 101.

Copeland has a good game, or hit's one three, and automatically the "Woodson doesn't know how to coach" light comes on.
Cope was in the doghouse most of the latter part of the season due to his almost painfully obvious defensive woes. Does anyone remember any of that?

He was featured quite extensively early on in the season as Priggy's go to guy. Nice cameo; can you hear Grunny thinking in his head:
"hey other teams' GM's, are you watching this guy? Care to float us a draft pick for him at some point in time? And look, he doesn't seem to get hurt, either? Nice, low salary you can have..."

Now Cope is worth more than the SMOTY. SMH.

I dont remember it that way and wouldn't characterize Cope by saying he had 1 good game.

Cope didn't play much in March but went on a VERY nice offensive run in April and May, closed out the season strong. And the dude can score and proved himself from downtown: 42% from 3point land for the season and TS and eFG of 60%. Those are good numbers.

Cope was in doghouse in mid season but April/May should have carried over to or translated to playoff minutes.

Gotta rebound and know where and how to play D.

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5/17/2013  9:53 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Hopefully we don't lose JR for nothing. I'm not a fan of his at all but he has some value and it doesn't cost anything other than money to keep him. And we don't have many options for improving the team.

What if Paul Pierce was willing to be 6th man for 3.5mm?


Wouldn't we be able to keep both since we have JR's early Bird rights? If not, then so long JR.
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5/17/2013  9:54 AM
jrodmc wrote:Here we go. Welcome to Alzheimers 101.

Copeland has a good game, or hit's one three, and automatically the "Woodson doesn't know how to coach" light comes on.
Cope was in the doghouse most of the latter part of the season due to his almost painfully obvious defensive woes. Does anyone remember any of that?

He was featured quite extensively early on in the season as Priggy's go to guy. Nice cameo; can you hear Grunny thinking in his head:
"hey other teams' GM's, are you watching this guy? Care to float us a draft pick for him at some point in time? And look, he doesn't seem to get hurt, either? Nice, low salary you can have..."

Now Cope is worth more than the SMOTY. SMH.

Come on man, Cope became a rotation player for New York in the 2nd half of the season and proved he belonged so yes, welcome to Alzheimers 101.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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5/17/2013  10:23 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/17/2013  10:24 AM
Only reason Cope got to play is because Woody is desperate. Woody F'ed up game 4 by pulling Cope right after the three. Woody got called on it by fans and writers. I know I was like what F is he doing, you need offense and your pulling out the guy from the game. At least Woody realized his mistake let hope he didn't realize to late.
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5/17/2013  10:24 AM
Copeland can be Novak's replacement NOT JR Smith's.
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5/17/2013  10:37 AM
+1 at anubis
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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5/17/2013  10:39 AM
Who honestly thought while watching Cope in the summer league games, we'd be sat around talking about him being the difference between us winning and losing in the second round of the playoffs?

It's funny how people are saying he should replace Novak- Novak was last years Cope. If we do re-sign him, watch everyone turn against him by this time next year...

Is Copeland a better long-term option then JR?

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