What Woodson has been doing OBVIOUSLY isn't working. Why is Q rotting on the Bench when JR has been stinking it up all series. Why didn't he cut before the season if he wasn't going to use him.

There are so many question in my mind about Woodsons coaching this offseason (well they really began around the allstar break.)

I think he is a good coach but, incapable of truly adapting.

I HATE coaches that are unreasonably loyal to guys that aren't performing. Has no place in winning sports.

DurzoBlint wrote:

fishmike wrote:so not playing a guy who didnt even play in the regular 82 games is incapable of adapting? Cmon now. Chandler is getting killed by Hibbert and JR and MElo have shot us out of the playoffs. You cant counter poor play with good coaching.

nice was of misrepresenting my post. I didn't specifically say that his NOT playing Barron was evidence of a lack of adaptability. I said the guy could be useful with the pic-n-roll I asked why is Q, Barron and Camby rotting on the bench and I stated that this coach seems to have an inability to adapt.

Agree of disagree but, lets have some reading comprehension here (the smiley is used to take any unintentional sting from my post)

Also, you can sometimes counter poor play by benching the players playing so poorly. At that point, you go to your bench and see if any of the other guys can give you something. Otherwise, what is the use of even having them on the bench.

If I remember right, didn't Vangundy bench his entire starting unit, during the game for a lack of effort.....And replaced them with backups?

Thats the kind of coach we need. Somebody not afraid to send "in game" messages to his team. Yelling at JR during the game isn't working. Make a move Coach....Thats why you are here!

It was clear early on that Martin and Tyson wasn't going to work......His plan B should've been to sub Copeland in and force Hibbert to play him outside the paint. Plan B should be the exact opposite of plan A.....

Or sub in Barron at center.....Anybody thats a threat from the outside, should've been in the game......Especially when you have shooters at the center position. Rasheed Wallace was Woodson's favorite, and his injury was the key to our success. That regular season run was fools gold. Wallace should've been on ice all season, just to play Indy!

DurzoBlint wrote:

blkexec wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

fishmike wrote:so not playing a guy who didnt even play in the regular 82 games is incapable of adapting? Cmon now. Chandler is getting killed by Hibbert and JR and MElo have shot us out of the playoffs. You cant counter poor play with good coaching.

nice was of misrepresenting my post. I didn't specifically say that his NOT playing Barron was evidence of a lack of adaptability. I said the guy could be useful with the pic-n-roll I asked why is Q, Barron and Camby rotting on the bench and I stated that this coach seems to have an inability to adapt.

Agree of disagree but, lets have some reading comprehension here (the smiley is used to take any unintentional sting from my post)

Also, you can sometimes counter poor play by benching the players playing so poorly. At that point, you go to your bench and see if any of the other guys can give you something. Otherwise, what is the use of even having them on the bench.

If I remember right, didn't Vangundy bench his entire starting unit, during the game for a lack of effort.....And replaced them with backups?

Thats the kind of coach we need. Somebody not afraid to send "in game" messages to his team. Yelling at JR during the game isn't working. Make a move Coach....Thats why you are here!

It was clear early on that Martin and Tyson wasn't going to work......His plan B should've been to sub Copeland in and force Hibbert to play him outside the paint. Plan B should be the exact opposite of plan A.....

Or sub in Barron at center.....Anybody thats a threat from the outside, should've been in the game......Especially when you have shooters at the center position. Rasheed Wallace was Woodson's favorite, and his injury was the key to our success. That regular season run was fools gold. Wallace should've been on ice all season, just to play Indy!

thank you ^this man gets it. When the players on the floor are sucking ass and aren't giving the effort, you bench them and give someone else a try. You don't allow this season to go down in flames without even seeing what the other guys can give you. Barron would have given Hibbert issues with his outside shooting. JR's shooting is already on vacation and his head isn't in the game, give Q a look. Who knows????

Maybe you guys dont know how sports and teams work? But I can say not like that.

Maybe its you gents that dont get it.

Same JVG that quit when he saw the diminished talent on the roster was going to take away from his coaching credentials? Thats JVG?

Well... we knew this was coming right? Now that Mike Danphony is gone and we got a real coach right? Oh wait... the players are missing the shots so maybe the coach sucks after all.

Sorry about the reading compreheniousness.

Let me be more direct... regarding Earl Barron:
Question: "DurzoBlint: is there a season good reason not to play this guy. "
Answer: Yes. Because its a stupid phucking idea.

DurzoBlint wrote:

fishmike wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

blkexec wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

fishmike wrote:so not playing a guy who didnt even play in the regular 82 games is incapable of adapting? Cmon now. Chandler is getting killed by Hibbert and JR and MElo have shot us out of the playoffs. You cant counter poor play with good coaching.

nice was of misrepresenting my post. I didn't specifically say that his NOT playing Barron was evidence of a lack of adaptability. I said the guy could be useful with the pic-n-roll I asked why is Q, Barron and Camby rotting on the bench and I stated that this coach seems to have an inability to adapt.

Agree of disagree but, lets have some reading comprehension here (the smiley is used to take any unintentional sting from my post)

Also, you can sometimes counter poor play by benching the players playing so poorly. At that point, you go to your bench and see if any of the other guys can give you something. Otherwise, what is the use of even having them on the bench.

If I remember right, didn't Vangundy bench his entire starting unit, during the game for a lack of effort.....And replaced them with backups?

Thats the kind of coach we need. Somebody not afraid to send "in game" messages to his team. Yelling at JR during the game isn't working. Make a move Coach....Thats why you are here!

It was clear early on that Martin and Tyson wasn't going to work......His plan B should've been to sub Copeland in and force Hibbert to play him outside the paint. Plan B should be the exact opposite of plan A.....

Or sub in Barron at center.....Anybody thats a threat from the outside, should've been in the game......Especially when you have shooters at the center position. Rasheed Wallace was Woodson's favorite, and his injury was the key to our success. That regular season run was fools gold. Wallace should've been on ice all season, just to play Indy!

thank you ^this man gets it. When the players on the floor are sucking ass and aren't giving the effort, you bench them and give someone else a try. You don't allow this season to go down in flames without even seeing what the other guys can give you. Barron would have given Hibbert issues with his outside shooting. JR's shooting is already on vacation and his head isn't in the game, give Q a look. Who knows????

yes he did. In a regular season game. Show me ONE successfull NBA coach who has benched a starter or core guy in favor of some bit role player who has done nothing to provide value to the team up to that point.

Maybe you guys dont know how sports and teams work? But I can say not like that.

Maybe its you gents that dont get it.

Same JVG that quit when he saw the diminished talent on the roster was going to take away from his coaching credentials? Thats JVG?

Well... we knew this was coming right? Now that Mike Danphony is gone and we got a real coach right? Oh wait... the players are missing the shots so maybe the coach sucks after all.

Sorry about the reading compreheniousness.

Let me be more direct... regarding Earl Barron:
Question: "DurzoBlint: is there a season good reason not to play this guy. "
Answer: Yes. Because its a stupid phucking idea.

It sends the RIGHT message. If you aren't going put out the effort, then you get benched. What the heck is the bench for. Why was Barron and Q signed if they aren't going to play and even worse their counterparts on the floor (Tyson/Baron & JR/Q) aren't even coming close to producing.

You don't go down in flames without doing all you can. By not at least giving them a look, Woodson is not doing all he can.

he could punch a ref also. Or poop on half court. Or suit up himself. He *could* do those things also. So I agree. He's not doing all he can.

How about benching MElo during his missing nine straight?

When a coach gives up on you and plays a guy who was only signed in case the other 40 year olds break you quit on him. Thats the league. Then you get fired and dont get another head coaching job. So be realistic. Thats why what your suggesting doesnt happen. You play on a team? How would you feel if you coach benched you in a slump for some donkee like Earl Barron? Your done with that coach. Thats how these players are thats why coaches dont make the changes your suggesting. Cmon man

fishmike wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

fishmike wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

blkexec wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

fishmike wrote:so not playing a guy who didnt even play in the regular 82 games is incapable of adapting? Cmon now. Chandler is getting killed by Hibbert and JR and MElo have shot us out of the playoffs. You cant counter poor play with good coaching.

nice was of misrepresenting my post. I didn't specifically say that his NOT playing Barron was evidence of a lack of adaptability. I said the guy could be useful with the pic-n-roll I asked why is Q, Barron and Camby rotting on the bench and I stated that this coach seems to have an inability to adapt.

Agree of disagree but, lets have some reading comprehension here (the smiley is used to take any unintentional sting from my post)

Also, you can sometimes counter poor play by benching the players playing so poorly. At that point, you go to your bench and see if any of the other guys can give you something. Otherwise, what is the use of even having them on the bench.

If I remember right, didn't Vangundy bench his entire starting unit, during the game for a lack of effort.....And replaced them with backups?

Thats the kind of coach we need. Somebody not afraid to send "in game" messages to his team. Yelling at JR during the game isn't working. Make a move Coach....Thats why you are here!

It was clear early on that Martin and Tyson wasn't going to work......His plan B should've been to sub Copeland in and force Hibbert to play him outside the paint. Plan B should be the exact opposite of plan A.....

Or sub in Barron at center.....Anybody thats a threat from the outside, should've been in the game......Especially when you have shooters at the center position. Rasheed Wallace was Woodson's favorite, and his injury was the key to our success. That regular season run was fools gold. Wallace should've been on ice all season, just to play Indy!

thank you ^this man gets it. When the players on the floor are sucking ass and aren't giving the effort, you bench them and give someone else a try. You don't allow this season to go down in flames without even seeing what the other guys can give you. Barron would have given Hibbert issues with his outside shooting. JR's shooting is already on vacation and his head isn't in the game, give Q a look. Who knows????

yes he did. In a regular season game. Show me ONE successfull NBA coach who has benched a starter or core guy in favor of some bit role player who has done nothing to provide value to the team up to that point.

Maybe you guys dont know how sports and teams work? But I can say not like that.

Maybe its you gents that dont get it.

Same JVG that quit when he saw the diminished talent on the roster was going to take away from his coaching credentials? Thats JVG?

Well... we knew this was coming right? Now that Mike Danphony is gone and we got a real coach right? Oh wait... the players are missing the shots so maybe the coach sucks after all.

Sorry about the reading compreheniousness.

Let me be more direct... regarding Earl Barron:
Question: "DurzoBlint: is there a season good reason not to play this guy. "
Answer: Yes. Because its a stupid phucking idea.

It sends the RIGHT message. If you aren't going put out the effort, then you get benched. What the heck is the bench for. Why was Barron and Q signed if they aren't going to play and even worse their counterparts on the floor (Tyson/Baron & JR/Q) aren't even coming close to producing.

You don't go down in flames without doing all you can. By not at least giving them a look, Woodson is not doing all he can.

he could punch a ref also. Or poop on half court. Or suit up himself. He *could* do those things also. So I agree. He's not doing all he can.

How about benching MElo during his missing nine straight?

When a coach gives up on you and plays a guy who was only signed in case the other 40 year olds break you quit on him. Thats the league. Then you get fired and dont get another head coaching job. So be realistic. Thats why what your suggesting doesnt happen. You play on a team? How would you feel if you coach benched you in a slump for some donkee like Earl Barron? Your done with that coach. Thats how these players are thats why coaches dont make the changes your suggesting. Cmon man

your first statement was just silly so I won't even waste time rebutting it.

My last word on this subject is: Why does he have guys on the bench if he's not going to utilize them. If the players on the court are dogging it, you replace them with those on the bench. This IS basketball 101. It's so simple even a Caveman would realize it.

I'm going to sign off on this thread because it looks like it might become contentious and I promised myself I won't let a thread piss me off. Its not relevant enough in life for that and I doubt we will come to any agreement on this.