TeamBall wrote:I wouldnt really mind Woodson going small if we actually tried to use it to our advantage. We never push the pace and theres no reason for not exposing David West guarding Shump.

There's a few teams that Woody hasn't made the necessary adjustments (Chicago, Houston, Indy).

Now is the time to do it. Either he pushes the pace with the smaller lineup or go big to matchup to Indy.

We'll see soon enough.

blkexec wrote:

TeamBall wrote:I wouldnt really mind Woodson going small if we actually tried to use it to our advantage. We never push the pace and theres no reason for not exposing David West guarding Shump.

Why does everybody think small ball means faster pace. It doesn't matter if you go small or super small, when you have a team full of vets that are 30+ years old.

The reason Woody goes small is to have more passing and shooting, while allowing Melo to have more room to operate in the HALF COURT.

martin wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

blkexec wrote:

TeamBall wrote:I wouldnt really mind Woodson going small if we actually tried to use it to our advantage. We never push the pace and theres no reason for not exposing David West guarding Shump.

Why does everybody think small ball means faster pace. It doesn't matter if you go small or super small, when you have a team full of vets that are 30+ years old.

The reason Woody goes small is to have more passing and shooting, while allowing Melo to have more room to operate in the HALF COURT.

Im talking about this squad. We can put out a unit that CAN push the pace. Guys even look to do so. Kidd and Pablo, 2 old guys, have had times when they were out in transition alone while the younger guys were walking up the court.

I think part of the reason the Knicks don't push the ball is that the guards are helping with rebounds and not leaking. Witness Shump, JR, Kidd, Pablo going after lose balls. Hard to do both at same time.

TeamBall wrote:

martin wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

blkexec wrote:

TeamBall wrote:I wouldnt really mind Woodson going small if we actually tried to use it to our advantage. We never push the pace and theres no reason for not exposing David West guarding Shump.

Why does everybody think small ball means faster pace. It doesn't matter if you go small or super small, when you have a team full of vets that are 30+ years old.

The reason Woody goes small is to have more passing and shooting, while allowing Melo to have more room to operate in the HALF COURT.

Im talking about this squad. We can put out a unit that CAN push the pace. Guys even look to do so. Kidd and Pablo, 2 old guys, have had times when they were out in transition alone while the younger guys were walking up the court.

I think part of the reason the Knicks don't push the ball is that the guards are helping with rebounds and not leaking. Witness Shump, JR, Kidd, Pablo going after lose balls. Hard to do both at same time.

Thats a good point. Do you think they should try to push the ball though?

When you have a 7'2 center that rebounds the ball.....You can drop 4 guys back everytime. Even if you drop 3 guys back, that at best 3 on 3, so there's no real advantage. Also, I've seen Kidd and others get more turnovers when they try to push the ball. But there is one advantage with pushing the ball....it allows JR and company more rhythm 3's, which is a good momentum change. But it can change the momentum the other way, if JR continues to shoot bricks.

There's only a certain mix of players that can successfully push the ball and finish at the rim, and one of them is hurt (Shump). Pablo is being exposed now, since they know he's just attacking to pass, instead of attacking to shoot like Felton!

Pablo and Kidd will push all day, but who's running with them, when Chandler and Woody is telling the entire team they need 5 players to rebound, and Indy only needs 1.....lol

Damn Woody, I hate to be in your position right now.

I've said this before, the key is Chandlers defense on Hibbert, including minimizing his offensive rebounds and tip ins. Camby and Earl Barron will be needed for that, when Chandler sits. Kenyon is too small. Melo is not that type either. He will mess around and injury his shoulder again, if he continues to play PF against bigger and stronger guys.

TeamBall wrote:

blkexec wrote:When you have a 7'2 center that rebounds the ball.....You can drop 4 guys back everytime. Even if you drop 3 guys back, that at best 3 on 3, so there's no real advantage. Also, I've seen Kidd and others get more turnovers when they try to push the ball. But there is an advantage with pushing the ball....he allows JR and company more rythm type 3's, which is a good momentum change. But it can change the momentum the other way, if JR is still shooting bricks.

There's only a certain mix of players that can successfully push the ball and finish at the rim, and one of them is hurt (Shump).

Pablo and Kidd will push all day, but who's running with them, when Chandler and Woody is telling the entire team they need 5 players to rebound, and Indy only needs 1.....lol

Damn Woody, I hate to be in your position right now.

I've said this before, the key is Chandlers defense on Hibbert, including minimizing his offensive rebounds and tip ins. Camby and Earl Barron will be needed for that, when Chandler sits. Kenyon is too small. Melo is not that type either. He will miss around and injury his shoulder again, if he continues to play PF against bigger and stronger guys.

Agreed.
Novak thrived last season when we pushed the ball but I dont think he'll be as effective this year because the word is out on him. You're probably right that the gameplan now is to have everyone crash the boards and that would nullify a plan to push the pace. If our hope rests on Tysons shoulders then im a little worred though.

I think thats when Novak is at best. It's hard to guard Novak, when others are pushing the ball on fast breaks. But in half court, it's easy to crowd Novak, since Indy rarely doubles anybody.

Hibbert can double all day, since Chandler and Kenyon doesn't provide any offense. And you can put anybody on Novak because he's not shifty like Ray Alen or other NBA guards who knows how to run off screens and get open.

This is why Felton is so important to the entire team. Novak, Chandler, Kenyon, and company all rely on Felton's penetration.