martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Bogut only makes a few million more than McGee, shouldn't he(Javale McGee) be close in production and stature?

man, when does salary ever equate to ability or production? why would you even go there?

It shouldn't matter, case in point JR Smith making only $2.8 mill but winning 6th man.

Usually when a team commits $40 mill+ to a player, you'd think he'd compete at high level and put up stats comparable to Bogut's. Guess that's Denver and Karl's bad in the investment.

Either way, I wouldn't put Bogut in the elite center discussion. He can't seem to stay healthy on the floor to warrant it.

Maybe Bogut of 3-4 years ago, but I could see him retiring from the game with all his various ailments very soon.

Reinsdorf must count his lucky stars MDA asked for the money Knicks paid him!

He got a great coach! I think its a rare instance when a coach makes THAT kind of impact with the injuries he has had.

Bottom line success with Bulls is Boozer played great against the Nyets and Noah is playing his best now. The dude is playing off the charts!

Bulls if they had a healthy Deng-Noah-Rose-Booze all at once could win it all.

ChuckBuck wrote:

martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Bogut only makes a few million more than McGee, shouldn't he(Javale McGee) be close in production and stature?

man, when does salary ever equate to ability or production? why would you even go there?

It shouldn't matter, case in point JR Smith making only $2.8 mill but winning 6th man.

Usually when a team commits $40 mill+ to a player, you'd think he'd compete at high level and put up stats comparable to Bogut's. Guess that's Denver and Karl's bad in the investment.

Either way, I wouldn't put Bogut in the elite center discussion. He can't seem to stay healthy on the floor to warrant it.

Maybe Bogut of 3-4 years ago, but I could see him retiring from the game with all his various ailments very soon.

This is where I jump off and not argue every point to prolong my UK career.

Bogut got traded for Monta Elis, was former no. 1 over all pick and has not been healthy in a long time.

I remember Tyson having health problems also and thought he was finished in New Orleans and Charlotte.

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Bogut only makes a few million more than McGee, shouldn't he(Javale McGee) be close in production and stature?

man, when does salary ever equate to ability or production? why would you even go there?

It shouldn't matter, case in point JR Smith making only $2.8 mill but winning 6th man.

Usually when a team commits $40 mill+ to a player, you'd think he'd compete at high level and put up stats comparable to Bogut's. Guess that's Denver and Karl's bad in the investment.

Either way, I wouldn't put Bogut in the elite center discussion. He can't seem to stay healthy on the floor to warrant it.

Maybe Bogut of 3-4 years ago, but I could see him retiring from the game with all his various ailments very soon.

This is where I jump off and not argue every point to prolong my UK career.

Bogut got traded for Monta Elis, was former no. 1 over all pick and has not been healthy in a long time.

I remember Tyson having health problems also and thought he was finished in New Orleans and Charlotte.

I think we're talking about the now. Chandler(Flu Tyson alter ego aside) has played 202 regular season games in the last 3 seasons compared to Bogut's 109.

Try not to think as Bogut as #1 pick of the 2005 NBA Draft Andrew Bogut and you'll see where I'm coming from.

ChuckBuck wrote:

3G4G wrote:Still waiting for Chuck and other naysayers to put a list of coaches together not named...

Phil
Pop
Doc

Who have taken 2-3 different teams to a Conference Finals and to a Finals

What's the statement or argument again?

Did George Karl take the Nuggets to the NBA Finals or something and I missed it?

I'm pretty sure Larry Brown took 2 different teams to the NBA Finals.

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

3G4G wrote:Still waiting for Chuck and other naysayers to put a list of coaches together not named...

Phil
Pop
Doc

Who have taken 2-3 different teams to a Conference Finals and to a Finals

What's the statement or argument again?

Did George Karl take the Nuggets to the NBA Finals or something and I missed it?

I'm pretty sure Larry Brown took 2 different teams to the NBA Finals.

How do you explain the success he had pre-Nuggets? Do you really think he was a good coach and then lost the ability? Like when he turned sixty, he started experiencing cognitive damage and can't think as well? Further, the impaired cognition is post-season-specific. It lies dormant during the regular season? the The simpler explanation is that the playoffs are largely a crapshoot. You're talking about a couple dozen games a decade. You should expect lots of variability unless you have true hall-of-famers.

Speaking of Larry Brown, craphole of a coach with the Knicks he was, here's his playoff record:

193 wins - 100 losses, .518 winning percentage, 2 NBA Finals appearances, 1 ring

A good comparison for George Karl is probably Don Nelson.

Nellie was also a great regular season coach, couldn't produce in the playoffs when it counts:

Don Nelson

75 wins - 91 losses, .452 winning percentage

ChuckBuck wrote:

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

3G4G wrote:Still waiting for Chuck and other naysayers to put a list of coaches together not named...

Phil
Pop
Doc

Who have taken 2-3 different teams to a Conference Finals and to a Finals

What's the statement or argument again?

Did George Karl take the Nuggets to the NBA Finals or something and I missed it?

I'm pretty sure Larry Brown took 2 different teams to the NBA Finals.

Sonics WFC>Sonics WCF>Sonics Finals

Bucks ECF

Nuggets WCF

That's 4 Conference Finals and 1 Finals with 3 different teams.

Ehh Pat Riley's resume is more impressive.

3 different teams, NBA finals, Lakers, Knicks, Heat.

Who cares

No one said Karl was the BEST COACH EVER....bottom line he's achieved far more than the greater majority who have ever coach this game.

Who in the hell gave Vinnie Del Negro a 1st place vote?

How did he get 1 and Scott Brooks got none?

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

3G4G wrote:Still waiting for Chuck and other naysayers to put a list of coaches together not named...

Phil
Pop
Doc

Who have taken 2-3 different teams to a Conference Finals and to a Finals

What's the statement or argument again?

Did George Karl take the Nuggets to the NBA Finals or something and I missed it?

I'm pretty sure Larry Brown took 2 different teams to the NBA Finals.

Sonics WFC>Sonics WCF>Sonics Finals

Bucks ECF

Nuggets WCF

That's 4 Conference Finals and 1 Finals with 3 different teams.

Ehh Pat Riley's resume is more impressive.

3 different teams, NBA finals, Lakers, Knicks, Heat.

Who cares

No one said Karl was the BEST COACH EVER....bottom line he's achieved far more than the greater majority who have ever coach this game.

yea, now he is reaching for pat riley.. well when you have to start getting coaches like that then it just shows how good Karl really is...again, he is among an elite group of coaches..

Bonn1997 wrote:

playa2 wrote:Like I said in another thread , I heard Karl on a interview with Jim Rome.

Karl went on to say he doesn't really coach the team anymore his assistants do.

His battle with Cancer has taken it's toll on him and the team was preparing his assistants to take over when he wasn't doing that well just in case.

The team isn't expected to win anything under Karl , that makes his job that much easier to come up short on a consistent basis.

You have an exact quote? That sounds odd. Maybe he was just being humble.

bonn, in the age we live in, humbleness is mistaken for weakness by people who do not understand such virtues