dk7th wrote:

3G4G wrote:

dk7th wrote:it's a regular season award... same as the scoring title.

he coached that team to 57 wins which was beyond all expectations. spoelstra was expected to win as many games as he did.

the nuggets missed gallinari in the playoffs-- it would have been a much closer series with him. chandler and brewer tried to fill in for him but fell short.

GSW didn't have Lee and Harrison Barnes/Landry filled in for him nicely. Can't let a team score 131pts on you on your home floor when you went 37-3 at home for the yr. Faried wasn't 100% either but this is a no excuse time of yr. Gallo wasn't going to stop Curry and/or Jack from doing what they did.

Nuggets reason for not advancing wasn't injuries, it was lack of defense....

Like you said though it's a regular season award and Karl more than deserved it. Now he has to get his team to be winners in the post-season

what's your take on what kenny and chuck were saying about how to stop steph curry?

Well when he's playing off ball you definitely should have your best ball denial defense in. It will be hard to do this if he's manning point guard solo. You can trap early but he can still get the ball late and he only needs a mili sec to get a shot off.

He's got good handle but I'm not sure I buy letting a guy of his stature dribble from beyond the arc to the rim for layups, that's unacceptable too. You have to defend him to pass, therefore you must be tied to his hip, stay on shooting arm.

Easier said than done but not impossible.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:I don't care if George Karl wins 73 games in the regular season, dude can't get out of the 1st round in Denver.

Only time he got lucky is when Chauncey Billups and Melo carried his ass to the WCF in 2009.

Other than that, he's phucking putrid, and makes D'Antoni seems like a competent postseason coach.

Jeez, let it go man.

Seems like the worse Denver does it elevates "the trade"!

Well, the trade was great for both teams. If they don't win 57 games then getting out of the first round is not big deal for them right?

The Guy is HOF and in a world where wins matter, guys like Don Nelson, and Jerry Sloan are great coaches and rack up wins.

In a world where "sucks balls" is used to describe a coach who has mounted greater success than any knick coach since Red Holzman one can just use Denvers regular season success and playoff failure to feel better about melo.

True or False, George Karl is a terrible postseason coach?

21 straight winning years!

Maybe he gets to the post season more BECAUSE he is a great coach? Has he had great teams that failed? Yes, its a function frequently going to the playoffs. He should have more "Lucky" runs? Perhaps!

This is all about melo for you isn't it? ANd you feel that Karl was in impediment to Melo being more successful in the playoffs?

80 wins - 105 losses, .432 winning percentage

Doesn't even win half his games in the playoffs after 185 games

Just awful...

Going .500 in the post-season is not easy. Only 5 or 6 of the 30 teams in the league achieve that each year. To give it some perspective, we're 6-11 in the Melo-Amare era.

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:how many coaches have coached in 185 playoff games?

Gotta be pretty good to get there!

Is any coach that has coached that many playoff games "terrible"?

How many have 80 wins?

COY is not a "lifetime achievement award", its for this past regular season.

If Woodson has gotten better thru experience, so too might have Karl!

Is he a great playoff coach? has he done a bad job in some of those years? Yeah, I think he might have.

Is he a terrible playoff coach? Maybe he is so good getting to the playoffs with teams that might not be playoff winning caliber that he his record becomes a victim of regular season success.

No, he is not "awful" or "sucks balls"! I can't label him a great playoff coach either.

Stop raining praise on that loser, he doesn't deserve it.

Greg Popovich, on the other hand, deserves every bouquet thrown his way.

123 Wins - 77 losses, .615 winning percentage, 4 rings.

To take a cue from my boy 3G4G, END OF SCUSSIN!

We not talking about Pop? Not unless your deflecting!

We talking about Karl and your interpretation.

Its your thread, you stated your opinion and if you wish to discuss, thats fine. You have holes in your arguement because Melo is too much part of Karls playoff record.

Melo playoff record in NY so far? 6-11

Is NY better with Melo than without. Yes. Is Denver better without Melo. Yes.

Win-win!

ChuckBuck wrote:Deflect what? Karl and Pop coached roughly the same about of playoff games(185 to 200). One's a winner, one's a loser.

Big enough sample size(shout out to Bonn).

End result, George Karl is a fraud, loser, no adjustment making postseason coach.

Like I said earlier, he'll win you upwards of 50+ games, sometimes 60+(Thanks GP!) in the regular season, but when it comes down to the real coaching, when micromanaging every possesion counts, he doesn't answer the bell.

But according to you, he's GGGRRREEAAATT!

This is about this dumbest argument and comparison and conclusion I have seen in a long time. One coach just had Tim Duncan his whole career and the other, well, hasn't. And you want to compare records straight up? Rosters count.

ChuckBuck wrote:

martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Deflect what? Karl and Pop coached roughly the same about of playoff games(185 to 200). One's a winner, one's a loser.

Big enough sample size(shout out to Bonn).

End result, George Karl is a fraud, loser, no adjustment making postseason coach.

Like I said earlier, he'll win you upwards of 50+ games, sometimes 60+(Thanks GP!) in the regular season, but when it comes down to the real coaching, when micromanaging every possesion counts, he doesn't answer the bell.

But according to you, he's GGGRRREEAAATT!

This is about this dumbest argument and comparison and conclusion I have seen in a long time. One coach just had Tim Duncan his whole career and the other, well, hasn't. And you want to compare records straight up? Rosters count.

Coaching doesn't matter?

How did Thibodeau end up beating Brooklyn on the road in game 7 and stealing game 1 from Miami?

I know it's a players league and what not, but one could argue, no one had more talent and depth than the LA Clippers, and they just got beat by star-less Memphis Grizzlies team.

Is Lionel Hollins a great coach? I'd say better than average, not great.

Is Vinny Del Negro that bad of a coach. HELLL's YES with a capital H!

End point, Karl is a good regular season coach. He doesn't make the necessary adjustments in playoff games against comparable coaches when it counts.

Mark Jackson took Karl to school.

Never said coaching doesn't matter. Said rosters count too. So do injuries and salary cap and everything else. It's just not about 1 part.

ChuckBuck wrote:

martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Deflect what? Karl and Pop coached roughly the same about of playoff games(185 to 200). One's a winner, one's a loser.

Big enough sample size(shout out to Bonn).

End result, George Karl is a fraud, loser, no adjustment making postseason coach.

Like I said earlier, he'll win you upwards of 50+ games, sometimes 60+(Thanks GP!) in the regular season, but when it comes down to the real coaching, when micromanaging every possesion counts, he doesn't answer the bell.

But according to you, he's GGGRRREEAAATT!

This is about this dumbest argument and comparison and conclusion I have seen in a long time. One coach just had Tim Duncan his whole career and the other, well, hasn't. And you want to compare records straight up? Rosters count.

Coaching doesn't matter?

How did Thibodeau end up beating Brooklyn on the road in game 7 and stealing game 1 from Miami?

I know it's a players league and what not, but one could argue, no one had more talent and depth than the LA Clippers, and they just got beat by star-less Memphis Grizzlies team.

Is Lionel Hollins a great coach? I'd say better than average, not great.

Is Vinny Del Negro that bad of a coach. HELLL's YES with a capital H!

End point, Karl is a good regular season coach. He doesn't make the necessary adjustments in playoff games against comparable coaches when it counts.

Mark Jackson took Karl to school.

Never said coaching doesn't matter. Said rosters count too. So do injuries and salary cap and everything else. It's just not about 1 part.

Fair enough. Some may see the Denver Nuggets overachieved under Karl's coaching in winning 57 games with a style that's more ABA and gimmicky, run and up and down in elevated mile high altitudes for 48 minutes.

Unfortunately, for all his coaching genius in the regular season, his success rarely translates into the 2nd season when it counts.

3 seed with home court. Only injury to Gallo, and the superior David Lee was out, so I'll generously call that a wash.

Only point I'm trying to make is nobody does less with more than George Karl in the playoffs, and that's being generous.

not saying you chuck, but i think alot of people forget that karl coached the sonics to alot of success and he did have the players (kemp payon mcmillan perkins schrempf)

it all goes into the recipe.

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Deflect what? Karl and Pop coached roughly the same about of playoff games(185 to 200). One's a winner, one's a loser.

Big enough sample size(shout out to Bonn).

End result, George Karl is a fraud, loser, no adjustment making postseason coach.

Like I said earlier, he'll win you upwards of 50+ games, sometimes 60+(Thanks GP!) in the regular season, but when it comes down to the real coaching, when micromanaging every possesion counts, he doesn't answer the bell.

But according to you, he's GGGRRREEAAATT!

This is about this dumbest argument and comparison and conclusion I have seen in a long time. One coach just had Tim Duncan his whole career and the other, well, hasn't. And you want to compare records straight up? Rosters count.

Coaching doesn't matter?

How did Thibodeau end up beating Brooklyn on the road in game 7 and stealing game 1 from Miami?

I know it's a players league and what not, but one could argue, no one had more talent and depth than the LA Clippers, and they just got beat by star-less Memphis Grizzlies team.

Is Lionel Hollins a great coach? I'd say better than average, not great.

Is Vinny Del Negro that bad of a coach. HELLL's YES with a capital H!

End point, Karl is a good regular season coach. He doesn't make the necessary adjustments in playoff games against comparable coaches when it counts.

Mark Jackson took Karl to school.

Never said coaching doesn't matter. Said rosters count too. So do injuries and salary cap and everything else. It's just not about 1 part.

Fair enough. Some may see the Denver Nuggets overachieved under Karl's coaching in winning 57 games with a style that's more ABA and gimmicky, run and up and down in elevated mile high altitudes for 48 minutes.

Unfortunately, for all his coaching genius in the regular season, his success rarely translates into the 2nd season when it counts.

3 seed with home court. Only injury to Gallo, and the superior David Lee was out, so I'll generously call that a wash.

Only point I'm trying to make is nobody does less with more than George Karl in the playoffs, and that's being generous.

Chuck, your all about playoff results to qualify your coaching ranking. Its your thing.

What about Mark Jax seemingly underperforming during the regular season? What about him getting a healthy bogut on the floor to play meaningful minutes? YOur missing intangables, too easy to wash out Gallo for Dlee and call it a day.

Maybe they should have coach of the year inclusive of the playoffs.

Karl is coach of the year. Get over it.

I've been over with. I know Coach of the Year is solely based on regular season success.

I've already pointed out his postseason futility, proving that his regular season award really is a misnomer for him.

Bogut should've been more than checked for by the 7 footers Koufos and McGee, no?

The only intangibles in this playoff series is execution by the players and coaching. Karl failed in the latter.

martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Deflect what? Karl and Pop coached roughly the same about of playoff games(185 to 200). One's a winner, one's a loser.

Big enough sample size(shout out to Bonn).

End result, George Karl is a fraud, loser, no adjustment making postseason coach.

Like I said earlier, he'll win you upwards of 50+ games, sometimes 60+(Thanks GP!) in the regular season, but when it comes down to the real coaching, when micromanaging every possesion counts, he doesn't answer the bell.

But according to you, he's GGGRRREEAAATT!

This is about this dumbest argument and comparison and conclusion I have seen in a long time. One coach just had Tim Duncan his whole career and the other, well, hasn't. And you want to compare records straight up? Rosters count.

which is why I say look at Karl when he had Gary Payton... Went to the finals with Him and Kemp..

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Deflect what? Karl and Pop coached roughly the same about of playoff games(185 to 200). One's a winner, one's a loser.

Big enough sample size(shout out to Bonn).

End result, George Karl is a fraud, loser, no adjustment making postseason coach.

Like I said earlier, he'll win you upwards of 50+ games, sometimes 60+(Thanks GP!) in the regular season, but when it comes down to the real coaching, when micromanaging every possesion counts, he doesn't answer the bell.

But according to you, he's GGGRRREEAAATT!

This is about this dumbest argument and comparison and conclusion I have seen in a long time. One coach just had Tim Duncan his whole career and the other, well, hasn't. And you want to compare records straight up? Rosters count.

Coaching doesn't matter?

How did Thibodeau end up beating Brooklyn on the road in game 7 and stealing game 1 from Miami?

I know it's a players league and what not, but one could argue, no one had more talent and depth than the LA Clippers, and they just got beat by star-less Memphis Grizzlies team.

Is Lionel Hollins a great coach? I'd say better than average, not great.

Is Vinny Del Negro that bad of a coach. HELLL's YES with a capital H!

End point, Karl is a good regular season coach. He doesn't make the necessary adjustments in playoff games against comparable coaches when it counts.

Mark Jackson took Karl to school.

Never said coaching doesn't matter. Said rosters count too. So do injuries and salary cap and everything else. It's just not about 1 part.

Fair enough. Some may see the Denver Nuggets overachieved under Karl's coaching in winning 57 games with a style that's more ABA and gimmicky, run and up and down in elevated mile high altitudes for 48 minutes.

Unfortunately, for all his coaching genius in the regular season, his success rarely translates into the 2nd season when it counts.

3 seed with home court. Only injury to Gallo, and the superior David Lee was out, so I'll generously call that a wash.

Only point I'm trying to make is nobody does less with more than George Karl in the playoffs, and that's being generous.

Chuck, your all about playoff results to qualify your coaching ranking. Its your thing.

What about Mark Jax seemingly underperforming during the regular season? What about him getting a healthy bogut on the floor to play meaningful minutes? YOur missing intangables, too easy to wash out Gallo for Dlee and call it a day.

Maybe they should have coach of the year inclusive of the playoffs.

Karl is coach of the year. Get over it.

I've been over with. I know Coach of the Year is solely based on regular season success.

I've already pointed out his postseason futility, proving that his regular season award really is a misnomer for him.

Bogut should've been more than checked for by the 7 footers Koufos and McGee, no?

The only intangibles in this playoff series is execution by the players and coaching. Karl failed in the latter.

Bogut is better than both.

Seriously? Bogut? Besides the 14 pt 21 rebound 3 assist 4 block game in the GSW clinching victory, the rest of the series he was merely pedestrian, look it up.

He had a solid 1st game vs San An padded by 2 OT's worth of play.

Bogut only makes a few million more than McGee, shouldn't he(Javale McGee) be close in production and stature?

Mark Jackson, had a good year too.

I think the timing of this award is what have most disagreeing with it.

Anyway, I thought this was interesting. Found this on another forum

2005–06: Avery Johnson, Dallas Mavericks, 60–22 (Fired April 30, 2008)
2006–07: Sam Mitchell, Toronto Raptors, 47–35 (Fired December 3, 2008)
2007–08: Byron Scott, New Orleans Hornets, 56–26 (Fired November 12, 2009)
2008–09: Mike Brown, Cleveland Cavaliers, 66–16 (Fired May 24, 2010)
2009–10: Scott Brooks, Oklahoma City Thunder, 50–32 (still hangin' on)