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misterearl
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5/4/2013  7:06 PM
... or does it simply boil down to superior talent and quality depth this time of year?

For the statitically inclined:

Indiana was the league's third most turnover-prone team this regular season, so there's reason to believe that kind of performance is repeatable (perhaps not 26 turnovers, but a lot). The Pacers also don't force many turnovers.

and this

“I’m very proud of our guys to come in here, a tough place to win. A particularly tough place for us to win. It’s good to end that streak. But more importantly, it’s good to advance and show the type of toughness you need to make a deep playoff run. To win with defense and rebounding, that’s been our identity all year, and that was the key to the last two victories.”

- Pacers coach Frank Vogel

and this

The Pacers were the best team in the entire NBA this season in opponent three-point percentage. They held teams to 32.7 percent shooting from downtown and kept the Knicks (normally good for about 37 percent) at 22 percent in four games. Dicks. ( -seth rosenthal)

Chris Copeland will have fewer jitters.

Marcus Camby gets four minutes per game.

Raymond Felton is on the shot clock.

Pablo, take the layup. Please.

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5/5/2013  6:32 AM
Talent should prevail in this series as well.
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5/5/2013  6:40 AM
If they stick West on Melo, I don't think he'll have the same success Bass did. If they actually decide to go with George, I'm looking at you J.R.!! The pacers aren't lighting anyone up, but our offense needs to make an appearance this series.
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5/5/2013  7:50 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/5/2013  8:54 AM
Johnson shot just 2-for-14 from the field and missed all five of his attempts in the fourth quarter of his team’s season-ending 99-93 loss to the Chicago Bulls in Game 7 of the Eastern Conference quarterfinals at Barclays Center.

Combined with his playoff numbers as an Atlanta Hawks, last night provides a glimpse why the Atlanta Hawks performed so poorly in the playoffs.

Deron Williams seemed, at many points, the only Net playing hard; he scored 24 points with seven assists and six rebounds, but Joe Johnson was airballing 3-pointers in the last two minutes and missing one with 35 seconds left that would have cut a Bulls lead to two. (He airballed another one in the final seconds, just for good measure.)

The Nets' first half, particularly the second half of the second quarter, was the disaster. They were outscored 32-19 that quarter and, other than Williams, looked disinterested as the inspired Bulls kept blowing past them. (It was the sort of half that made you furious to see Johnson scoreless at the end of it. Remember: Fifth-highest-paid player in the NBA.) - Wil Leitch

It was not Mike Woodson bricking out the joint.

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5/5/2013  9:27 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/5/2013  9:29 AM
My, how expectations have fallen.

misterearl wrote:
Marcus Camby gets four minutes per game.


This dude was in the catbird seat selecting from contending courtiers supposedly to help put them over the top.

ESPN, July 10, 2012 wrote:Camby appeared to be narrowing his choices down to the Knicks, Miami Heat and Brooklyn Nets. But after he postponed a meeting with the Heat on Saturday because they used their midlevel exception on Ray Allen, the Knicks were in the lead. The Nets had only a conference call with Camby, while the Knicks had a face-to-face meeting with him in Houston on Sunday, which a source close to the situation said was "very positive."

Camby returns to New York, where he played from 1998 to 2002. He was the starting center on the 1999 team that went to the NBA Finals against the San Antonio Spurs.

Now the Knicks will have arguably the best big man one-two punch with 2012 Defensive Player of the Year Tyson Chandler starting and Camby, who won the award in 2007, backing him up.


He's played 250 minutes, and been paid $3MM to do it. What a waste of cap space! Burn me once, shame on you. Burn me twice, shame on the Knicks! The matchstick man strikes again!
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5/5/2013  9:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/5/2013  9:52 AM
It Ain't Your Money

Panos - if Marcus Camby blocks just one shot in a 2 point game against Indiana, the $3.3M will have been well spent.

Kurt Thomas and Marcus Camby are legacy, "heart and soul," forever Knicks. Their paychecks are irrelevant to the joy they have given us through the years.

How many of us still smile over Camby's memorable playoffs dunk over Dikembe Mutomobo in The Georgia Dome, as thousands of New Yorkers howled in delight?

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5/5/2013  11:15 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/5/2013  11:18 AM
misterearl wrote:It Ain't Your Money

Panos - if Marcus Camby blocks just one shot in a 2 point game against Indiana, the $3.3M will have been well spent.

Kurt Thomas and Marcus Camby are legacy, "heart and soul," forever Knicks. Their paychecks are irrelevant to the joy they have given us through the years.

How many of us still smile over Camby's memorable playoffs dunk over Dikembe Mutomobo in The Georgia Dome, as thousands of New Yorkers howled in delight?


I disagree. You can get 1 block for a lot less than $3.3M.

One thing that is irrelevant in this discussion of Marcus Camby is that "It ain't [my] money." The whole point is it is the Knick's money, money that is constrained by the salary cap. Money that could have been spent on a very decent contributing player for this year AND next.
Another thing that is irrelevant is a dunk over Dikembe Mutombo a hundred years ago having anything to do with overpaying for him now at 40 years old.
But I'm sure those aren't the only irrelevant things, and I'm sure you'll mention a few more in your next post.

One thing I do have to admit I'm amazed by is how Grunny managed to get enough talent on a shoe string around Melo to compete in spite of having so much money tied up on non-contributing players: Amare, Camby and Novak (half the cap!)
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5/5/2013  1:09 PM
Of Course

Panos wrote:
I disagree. You can get 1 block for a lot less than $3.3M.

And you can get a stack of baseball cards for a dollar. The point being, what Marcus Camby brings to the Knicks is deeper than box score numbers. He brings Knicks legacy and experience in the playoffs in New York which he can share with our yoots.

He brings good karma.

You cannot trade for good karma.

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5/5/2013  1:11 PM
Panos wrote:
misterearl wrote:It Ain't Your Money

Panos - if Marcus Camby blocks just one shot in a 2 point game against Indiana, the $3.3M will have been well spent.

Kurt Thomas and Marcus Camby are legacy, "heart and soul," forever Knicks. Their paychecks are irrelevant to the joy they have given us through the years.

How many of us still smile over Camby's memorable playoffs dunk over Dikembe Mutomobo in The Georgia Dome, as thousands of New Yorkers howled in delight?


I disagree. You can get 1 block for a lot less than $3.3M.

One thing that is irrelevant in this discussion of Marcus Camby is that "It ain't [my] money." The whole point is it is the Knick's money, money that is constrained by the salary cap. Money that could have been spent on a very decent contributing player for this year AND next.
Another thing that is irrelevant is a dunk over Dikembe Mutombo a hundred years ago having anything to do with overpaying for him now at 40 years old.
But I'm sure those aren't the only irrelevant things, and I'm sure you'll mention a few more in your next post

One thing I do have to admit I'm amazed by is how Grunny managed to get enough talent on a shoe string around Melo to compete in spite of having so much money tied up on non-contributing players: Amare, Camby and Novak (half the cap!)


Camby has been a major waste, but this happens to teams all the time. At least we only wasted 3 mill as opposed to some other teams blowing big money on an underachiever. I think Grunwald has worked some miracles so far. He turns other teams garbage into gold.

Joe Johnson just hasn't looked like himself. Plus he's been battling injuries. The dude is slow to begin with, and lately he's been playing on one leg. He sucked in game 7, but he had a legitimate excuse. He's hit some big shots in the series. Some people will say anything when they play favorites...
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5/5/2013  1:12 PM
tj23 wrote:
Panos wrote:
misterearl wrote:It Ain't Your Money

Panos - if Marcus Camby blocks just one shot in a 2 point game against Indiana, the $3.3M will have been well spent.

Kurt Thomas and Marcus Camby are legacy, "heart and soul," forever Knicks. Their paychecks are irrelevant to the joy they have given us through the years.

How many of us still smile over Camby's memorable playoffs dunk over Dikembe Mutomobo in The Georgia Dome, as thousands of New Yorkers howled in delight?


I disagree. You can get 1 block for a lot less than $3.3M.

One thing that is irrelevant in this discussion of Marcus Camby is that "It ain't [my] money." The whole point is it is the Knick's money, money that is constrained by the salary cap. Money that could have been spent on a very decent contributing player for this year AND next.
Another thing that is irrelevant is a dunk over Dikembe Mutombo a hundred years ago having anything to do with overpaying for him now at 40 years old.
But I'm sure those aren't the only irrelevant things, and I'm sure you'll mention a few more in your next post

One thing I do have to admit I'm amazed by is how Grunny managed to get enough talent on a shoe string around Melo to compete in spite of having so much money tied up on non-contributing players: Amare, Camby and Novak (half the cap!)

At least we only wasted 3 mill as opposed to some other teams blowing big money on an underachiever.

You mean like...us...on Amear the Schmear

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5/5/2013  2:18 PM
IronWillGiroud wrote:
tj23 wrote:
Panos wrote:
misterearl wrote:It Ain't Your Money

Panos - if Marcus Camby blocks just one shot in a 2 point game against Indiana, the $3.3M will have been well spent.

Kurt Thomas and Marcus Camby are legacy, "heart and soul," forever Knicks. Their paychecks are irrelevant to the joy they have given us through the years.

How many of us still smile over Camby's memorable playoffs dunk over Dikembe Mutomobo in The Georgia Dome, as thousands of New Yorkers howled in delight?


I disagree. You can get 1 block for a lot less than $3.3M.

One thing that is irrelevant in this discussion of Marcus Camby is that "It ain't [my] money." The whole point is it is the Knick's money, money that is constrained by the salary cap. Money that could have been spent on a very decent contributing player for this year AND next.
Another thing that is irrelevant is a dunk over Dikembe Mutombo a hundred years ago having anything to do with overpaying for him now at 40 years old.
But I'm sure those aren't the only irrelevant things, and I'm sure you'll mention a few more in your next post

One thing I do have to admit I'm amazed by is how Grunny managed to get enough talent on a shoe string around Melo to compete in spite of having so much money tied up on non-contributing players: Amare, Camby and Novak (half the cap!)

At least we only wasted 3 mill as opposed to some other teams blowing big money on an underachiever.

You mean like...us...on Amear the Schmear


Well we got 1 great year out of him...out of um...5. And it probably helped lure Melo here. So you could say Melo costs us about 45 mill a year.
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5/5/2013  3:08 PM
tj23 wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:
tj23 wrote:
Panos wrote:
misterearl wrote:It Ain't Your Money

Panos - if Marcus Camby blocks just one shot in a 2 point game against Indiana, the $3.3M will have been well spent.

Kurt Thomas and Marcus Camby are legacy, "heart and soul," forever Knicks. Their paychecks are irrelevant to the joy they have given us through the years.

How many of us still smile over Camby's memorable playoffs dunk over Dikembe Mutomobo in The Georgia Dome, as thousands of New Yorkers howled in delight?


I disagree. You can get 1 block for a lot less than $3.3M.

One thing that is irrelevant in this discussion of Marcus Camby is that "It ain't [my] money." The whole point is it is the Knick's money, money that is constrained by the salary cap. Money that could have been spent on a very decent contributing player for this year AND next.
Another thing that is irrelevant is a dunk over Dikembe Mutombo a hundred years ago having anything to do with overpaying for him now at 40 years old.
But I'm sure those aren't the only irrelevant things, and I'm sure you'll mention a few more in your next post

One thing I do have to admit I'm amazed by is how Grunny managed to get enough talent on a shoe string around Melo to compete in spite of having so much money tied up on non-contributing players: Amare, Camby and Novak (half the cap!)

At least we only wasted 3 mill as opposed to some other teams blowing big money on an underachiever.

You mean like...us...on Amear the Schmear


Well we got 1 great year out of him...out of um...5. And it probably helped lure Melo here. So you could say Melo costs us about 45 mill a year.

lol

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5/5/2013  3:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/5/2013  3:51 PM
misterearl wrote:Of Course

Panos wrote:
I disagree. You can get 1 block for a lot less than $3.3M.

And you can get a stack of baseball cards for a dollar. The point being, what Marcus Camby brings to the Knicks is deeper than box score numbers. He brings Knicks legacy and experience in the playoffs in New York which he can share with our yoots.

He brings good karma.

You cannot trade for good karma.

Gimme a break. Do you actually believe your own crap, or do you just insist on always having the last word ?
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5/5/2013  4:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/5/2013  5:01 PM
Panos - if you must label opinion as crap, perhaps you should refrain from responding.

It is not a pleasure to dialogue with you. Whatever irritates you, it is not worth the time.

Your personal insults are not worth responding to.

Beat Indiana.

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5/5/2013  5:01 PM
Panos vs misterearl?

Tough call for me. I connected with Panos today for the first time, I count him as a friend now.

I would like to call misterearl a friend, too, but I have not felt the love yet.

Verdict? Panos 1 misterearl 0

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5/5/2013  5:11 PM
Match.com

IronWillGiroud wrote:Panos vs misterearl?

Tough call for me. I connected with Panos today for the first time, I count him as a friend now.

I would like to call misterearl a friend, too, but I have not felt the love yet.

Verdict? Panos 1 misterearl 0

Do you want to talk basketball or hook up?

Sheesh

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5/5/2013  6:50 PM
Woody got severely out coached today.

When the game is slowed down, he doesn't seem to know which sets this offense needs to run and even the few plays that are working like the Felt on PnR seemed to be ignored when the team needed to make its run in the 2nd half.

No intensity on defense is on the players as much as on the coach. We've seen this team come motivated for the second half, yet this time they rolled up and played dead.

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misterearl wrote:Match.com

IronWillGiroud wrote:Panos vs misterearl?

Tough call for me. I connected with Panos today for the first time, I count him as a friend now.

I would like to call misterearl a friend, too, but I have not felt the love yet.

Verdict? Panos 1 misterearl 0

Do you want to talk basketball or hook up?

Sheesh

lol

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5/5/2013  7:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/5/2013  7:52 PM
Coaches can't Shoot

Knicksfan wrote:Woody got severely out coached today.

When the game is slowed down, he doesn't seem to know which sets this offense needs to run and even the few plays that are working like the Felt on PnR seemed to be ignored when the team needed to make its run in the 2nd half.

No intensity on defense is on the players as much as on the coach. We've seen this team come motivated for the second half, yet this time they rolled up and played dead.

Mike Woodson was not outcoached today any more than he outcoached Doc Rivers.

When your leading man shoots 30 percent from the field and dominates the attempts, that is not a recipe for winning against a quality team. Carmelo and JR were a combined 14-43. That is the issue. Not coaching. shooting.

Coaches can only encourage players to adhere to their strategies. The execution is up to the player.

We will clean up the rough areas and split here and Indiana. Next week it will be 2-2.

Fasten your seat belts. We going seven.

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5/5/2013  7:54 PM
It's going to be difficult for Woody. Vogel is a good coach with more talent than Docs team.
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