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smackeddog
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5/4/2013  1:18 PM
I have a feeling that by the end of it we'll have come to hate Tyler Hansborough as much as we hate KG- he's a real dirty, cheap shot player but without KGs talent.

Things that worry me are:

Melo's shoulder- he may as well have a bullseye drawn on it. pacers are really physical, they'll be taking all kinds of cheap shots every game. Melo struggles against them anyways so he's in for a rough series. Paul George can defend him, then they have West if they want to beat him up.

Composure- pacers are allowed to play more physically than their opponents, which always seems to rattle us

Lance Stephenson seems to be motivated when playing against us- he's a bit like Jet in that he can hit some daggers.

Still, we beat them twice, and they seem to play a lot worse in away games. So we have to win our home games. Game 1 will be up for grabs though due to a lack of prep. I wish we'd had an extra day off between this and the last series.

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5/4/2013  1:23 PM
Isola just tweeted this:


Knicks-Pacers Game 2 is 7 p.m. Tuesday. Game 3 (you ready for this) Saturday 8 p.m.

Crazy, but that gives Amar'e a shot at returning for game 3. If we can win our home games, we'll get a nice rest to heal our wounds and prepare for the away games.

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5/4/2013  1:23 PM
Knicks will be fine if we get production from Shumpert, Felton, Smith, and Kidd/Prigioni.
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5/4/2013  1:32 PM
I think oiur PGs have to outperform theirs and JR and Melo need to get back to playing within the offense instead of slowing things down and pulling up for a difficult jumper. Those two things happen the Knicks roll
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5/4/2013  1:33 PM
smackeddog wrote:I have a feeling that by the end of it we'll have come to hate Tyler Hansborough as much as we hate KG- he's a real dirty, cheap shot player but without KGs talent.

Things that worry me are:

Melo's shoulder- he may as well have a bullseye drawn on it. pacers are really physical, they'll be taking all kinds of cheap shots every game. Melo struggles against them anyways so he's in for a rough series. Paul George can defend him, then they have West if they want to beat him up.

Composure- pacers are allowed to play more physically than their opponents, which always seems to rattle us

Lance Stephenson seems to be motivated when playing against us- he's a bit like Jet in that he can hit some daggers.

Still, we beat them twice, and they seem to play a lot worse in away games. So we have to win our home games. Game 1 will be up for grabs though due to a lack of prep. I wish we'd had an extra day off between this and the last series.


So worried about David West. Wasnt he blatantly taking cheap shots at Melo the last time we played them?
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5/4/2013  1:33 PM
smackeddog wrote:Isola just tweeted this:


Knicks-Pacers Game 2 is 7 p.m. Tuesday. Game 3 (you ready for this) Saturday 8 p.m.

Crazy, but that gives Amar'e a shot at returning for game 3. If we can win our home games, we'll get a nice rest to heal our wounds and prepare for the away games.

WTF? The length between game 2 and 3 is absurd, as is the start time of game 3. What awful scheduling

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5/4/2013  1:35 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Isola just tweeted this:


Knicks-Pacers Game 2 is 7 p.m. Tuesday. Game 3 (you ready for this) Saturday 8 p.m.

Crazy, but that gives Amar'e a shot at returning for game 3. If we can win our home games, we'll get a nice rest to heal our wounds and prepare for the away games.

WTF? The length between game 2 and 3 is absurd, as is the start time of game 3. What awful scheduling


Hey it sucks for us but its great for the players. As much as I cant wait for tomorrow I really wish they got a couple more days to rest.
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5/4/2013  1:37 PM
Personally im not too worried about the Pacers like I was for for the Celtics. The Celtic s are extremely battle tested and tough defensively. Even without rondo. The Celtics also have had success against melo. the Pacers are tough but not as battle tested as the Celtics. Tyson has always owned Hibbert. Also guys like felton and shump have stepped up
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5/4/2013  2:20 PM
Knicks vs Pacers Scouting Report

- Knicks = live or die by the 3
POSITIVES = great defense, go-to scorer, 3pt shooting
NEGATIVE = loses mental focus, Isolation ball

Lineup
PG Felton = good off the PNR, good shooter
PG Prigoni = great defense, smart PNR player
SF Shumpert = great defender, good spot up 3pt shooter
*PF MELO = go-to scorer, underrated rebounder, dislocated shoulder
C Tyson = defensive presence, zero offense except for dunks

Bench
SG Kidd = more of an SG guard, good defender still
*SG JR Smith = playmaker, streaker 3pt shooter
PF KMart - defensive presence, zero offense except for dunks
PF Amare = adequate low post scorer and rebounder, horrible defender
SF Copeland = offensive low post/3pt shooter; horrible defense
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Indiana = defensive team with a slow pace
POSITIVES = size up front, athleticism
NEGATIVES = outside shooting, no go-to scorer

Lineup
PG Hill = spot up 3pt shooter, not a play maker
SG Stephenson = streaky shooter, great in transition, underrated defender
*SF George = athletic, slashing defender with streaky shooting, fastbreaks
*PF West = leader, low post moves, spot up shooter
C Hibbert = slow footed, 7ft low post scorer; inconsistent

Bench
PG DJ Augustine = pesty defender who forgot how to shoot
SG Green = freakishly athletic, slashing SF who excels in transition
PF Hansborough = blue collar, offensive rebounder
C Mahinmi = shot blocker, defensive presence, zero offense except for dunks
C Pendergraph = huge defender who can hit outside shot

Overall = knicks might have the better talent but Indiana is a tougher and bigger team (West, Hibbert, Hansborough, Mahinmi, Pendergraph). As we see in the playoffs, it gets MORE physical and refs are a big factor. Melo already has a dislocated left shoulder. If the knicks lose their cool and get technicals it'll be over. Pacers are a HUGE and PHYSICAL half court team just like the bulls. The problem with the Pacers is they're VERY bad and slow on the offensive side. Their offense comes from defensive transition (George, Stephenson, Green). This should be a close series however since knicks have home court advantage i HOPE they win in 7.

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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5/4/2013  2:23 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Isola just tweeted this:


Knicks-Pacers Game 2 is 7 p.m. Tuesday. Game 3 (you ready for this) Saturday 8 p.m.

Crazy, but that gives Amar'e a shot at returning for game 3. If we can win our home games, we'll get a nice rest to heal our wounds and prepare for the away games.

WTF? The length between game 2 and 3 is absurd, as is the start time of game 3. What awful scheduling

READ THIS..

It sucks."

That's LeBron James' view on what we're not seeing in these NBA playoffs.

"It's terrible that we don't have Derrick Rose, and now Russell Westbrook, David Lee, and a lot of guys that's just not in the lineup," he said of the nightly view from his couch. "Amare Stoudemire is another one."

When it comes to the schedule, James said this is a case where less-is-more might have its merits.

Teammate Shane Battier was among the first to express that line of thought.

"I think 60 is the perfect number," Battier said this past week. "I've said that for many years. It's a long season."

James picked up from there.

"It's tough and it's a lot of wear and tear on our bodies," he said. "An 82-game season is a lot. I'm not one to say we should have fewer games than we have. But 82 games, with the traveling we had, going to China before the season, it's been a lot on us."

The counter from management is that fewer games would require a commensurate drop in salaries.

"I think that's a conversation to be had with the players' association, the players and the owners," James said. "I love to play basketball. We always get the opportunity to go out every night and showcase our talent, but I think that's a business question to go over. It benefits some people, some people it doesn't benefit."

Teammate James Jones, secretary/treasurer on the union board, said there is another option, one that would include seldom-used players such as himself: teams actually using their entire 15-player rosters, instead of wearing down their stars through the 82-game regular-season grind.

"Our rosters stand at 15, so teams have an option of carrying 15 guys," he said. "What you're seeing is just unfortunate. It's a string of injuries. It's kind of an anomaly. It's not something that happens regularly. But I think teams and players and coaches should be more conscious of managing guys' minutes and using their full roster."

That's not to say that if Heat coach Erik Spoelstra had used Jones, Mike Miller and Rashard Lewis more often that it would have saved Wade from aggravating those knee bruises. But it might have.

Jones said the 2013 playoffs ultimately might be a teaching point.

"I think you'll see fewer and fewer teams having a rotation-heavy and top-dominant rotation, where they only go eight, nine guys," Jones said, an approach the clearly would enhance his own role. "I think you'll start to see teams go 11, 12, possibly 13 [deep]. Because that's the only way, if you're seriously going to contend deep into the playoffs, that's the only way you'll be able to have guys fresh at the end."

To ignore the fact that these playoffs are not offering a maximum star-appeal payoff, Battier said, would be a disservice to the game.

"The bottom line is there are occupational hazards associated with this job," he said. "And being worn down and physically beaten down make your more susceptible to injuries, no question. But that's what we signed up for. And you feel bad for the fans. We're getting compensated. We're OK. We understand what the deal is, and we're getting compensated for that risk. But you look at a city like Chicago and Derrick Rose, or David Lee with Golden State, and it's a letdown for the fans."



SOLID FOOTING: Granted, the Heat and San Antonio Spurs probably would have breezed through their opening-round sweeps anyway, considering their opponents. But it was curious that the two teams that placed the greatest priority on regular-season rest for their stars also made the quickest work of the opening round. That doesn't mean Commissioner David Stern still doesn't have reservations with the approach. "I think we're going to have to come to grips, somehow, with the issue of resting players," Stern said at an Associated Press Sports Editors symposium of commissioners. "We have to recognize both sides of that issue, in terms of not telling a coach how to manage his lineup while at the same time trying to deliver to our fans what they've come to expect. Historically, when you're resting a 36-year-old player or a player with a history of injuries, that's fine. But when that player gets to be 26 and it's a wholesale sort of an elimination of rosters for a game, that's less about resting and more about something else going on."

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5/4/2013  2:31 PM
Just thought of this, but if Shump continues this kind of play he could be this runs version of 99 Camby. I think he could have the same effect since we have talented wings standing in our way the next 2 rounds.
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5/4/2013  4:29 PM
The Pacers are gritty slightly lesser version of the Grizz. They will ride the hot hand no matter who it is. West, Hibbert, George, it doesn't matter. Unlike most coaches, Vogel will play a starter limited mins in the game if a bench player is lighting it up. Lets just say its the anti Woodson method. The Pacers have the ability to make the offense flow through almost any player on the team. It doesn't matter to much if it creates a defensive mismatch cause they have Hibbert in the paint. They will feed the hot hand all game. That's Vogels style. We saw an example of that when Hansbrough went nuts on the Knicks last year. The key to beating them is to play good D and don't let anyone get Hot. I think JKidd will be exposed. Just thank the lord Granger is out! If Hibbert gets in foul trouble they are done!
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5/4/2013  10:45 PM
The league loved the Boston and NY series , now they are positioning themselves for a Knicks Heat battle for ratings. Not worried about the Pacers.
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5/5/2013  12:25 AM
MSG3 wrote:Just thought of this, but if Shump continues this kind of play he could be this runs version of 99 Camby. I think he could have the same effect since we have talented wings standing in our way the next 2 rounds.

Shump is peaking at the perfect time!!! I love how aggressive he's playing. You can see he has no fear on his shots either. I just love when Shump plays D like this. He's gonna really be important the rest of the way.

I like the D from all of our guards so far. Prigs has been very pesky as usual. Kidd has his late game spurts of great D. Felton has been very aggressive as well. Just a solid group IMO.

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5/5/2013  12:59 AM
nixluva wrote:
MSG3 wrote:Just thought of this, but if Shump continues this kind of play he could be this runs version of 99 Camby. I think he could have the same effect since we have talented wings standing in our way the next 2 rounds.

Shump is peaking at the perfect time!!! I love how aggressive he's playing. You can see he has no fear on his shots either. I just love when Shump plays D like this. He's gonna really be important the rest of the way.

I like the D from all of our guards so far. Prigs has been very pesky as usual. Kidd has his late game spurts of great D. Felton has been very aggressive as well. Just a solid group IMO.

Well our guards really had it pretty easy as boston had no pgs, no real play makers and our guards have been roasted on a regular this season..hill and augustine will be a much more of a challenge.

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5/5/2013  2:12 AM
nixluva wrote:
MSG3 wrote:Just thought of this, but if Shump continues this kind of play he could be this runs version of 99 Camby. I think he could have the same effect since we have talented wings standing in our way the next 2 rounds.

Shump is peaking at the perfect time!!! I love how aggressive he's playing. You can see he has no fear on his shots either. I just love when Shump plays D like this. He's gonna really be important the rest of the way.

I like the D from all of our guards so far. Prigs has been very pesky as usual. Kidd has his late game spurts of great D. Felton has been very aggressive as well. Just a solid group IMO.

Love how hard and tough Shump is playing. Prigs, Felton and Kidd all are playing well. Knicks in 6 if the Pacers get lucky.
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5/5/2013  9:40 AM
Homecourt advantage is going to be huge.

Shumpert vs Geroge will be an intresting matchup.

Shumpert at times had a hard time agaisnt green, now he faces someone who is longer and has more offense in George.

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