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nyvector16
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5/2/2013  3:52 PM
I am not sure if front office jobs are really just welfare positions for friends of the owner or what is going on.
What owner in their right mind would have Scott Layden even run a little league team.
Probably one of the most horrendous GMs in sports history... And they are actually considering this fool???

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/227471/Suns-Interviewing-McDonough-Weltman-Layden-For-GM-Opening

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5/2/2013  3:58 PM
First thought: who on the Suns is worth poaching? Still want Dudley on the Knicks?
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5/2/2013  3:59 PM
Hard times!
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5/2/2013  4:00 PM
Nice! Finally someone who will take Amare off our hands!!
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5/2/2013  4:35 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Nice! Finally someone who will take Amare off our hands!!

That would be epic!

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5/2/2013  5:54 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Nice! Finally someone who will take Amare off our hands!!
He would definitely take Novak. High character low upside guys are his specialty.
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5/2/2013  9:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/2/2013  9:14 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Nice! Finally someone who will take Amare off our hands!!
He would definitely take Novak. High character low upside guys are his specialty.

Ouch! That's cold.

Layden wasn't that bad. Anyone who can offer Othella Harrington for Shaquille O'Neal is alright in my book. Shoot for the stars. Dare to dream.

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5/2/2013  9:17 PM
Isiah was bad, but his biggest fan is definitely Scott Layden because Layden was arguably worse
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5/2/2013  9:28 PM
matt wrote:Isiah was bad, but his biggest fan is definitely Scott Layden because Layden was arguably worse

It's like comparing dog crap to cow manure. They both were incompetent. I think Isiah was worse in some ways, but I don't know how you measure it. Neither has many merits. I'm just happy they're not here anymore.

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5/2/2013  9:48 PM
Never forget.

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September 28, 1999: Signed Andrew Lang as a free agent.
February 20, 2000: Signed Etdrick Bohannon to the first of two 10-day contracts.
June 28, 2000: Selected Donnell Harvey (1st round, 22nd pick) and Lavor Postell (2nd round, 39th pick) in the 2000 NBA Draft.
June 28, 2000: Traded Donnell Harvey and John Wallace to the Dallas Mavericks for Erick Strickland and Pete Mickeal.
September 20, 2000: As part of a 4-team trade, the New York Knicks traded Patrick Ewing to the Seattle SuperSonics; the New York Knicks traded Chris Dudley and a 2001 1st round draft pick (Jason Collins) to the Phoenix Suns; the Los Angeles Lakers traded Travis Knight, Glen Rice and a 2001 1st round draft pick (Jamaal Tinsley) to the New York Knicks; the Phoenix Suns traded Luc Longley to the New York Knicks; the Seattle SuperSonics traded Emanual Davis, Greg Foster, Horace Grant and Chuck Person to the Los Angeles Lakers; and the Seattle SuperSonics traded Lazaro Borrell, Vernon Maxwell, Vladimir Stepania, a 2001 2nd round draft pick (Eric Chenowith), a 2001 2nd round draft pick (Michael Wright) and a 2002 1st round draft pick (Kareem Rush) to the New York Knicks.
October 3, 2000: Signed Felton Spencer as a free agent.
January 30, 2001: Traded Erick Strickland, a 2001 1st round draft pick (Jamaal Tinsley) and a 2001 2nd round draft pick (Antonis Fotsis) to the Vancouver Grizzlies for Othella Harrington.
February 22, 2001: Traded Chris Childs and a 2002 1st round draft pick (Kareem Rush) to the Toronto Raptors for Muggsy Bogues and Mark Jackson.
June 27, 2001: Selected Michael Wright (2nd round, 39th pick) and Eric Chenowith (2nd round, 43rd pick) in the 2001 NBA Draft.
July 21, 2001: Signed Clarence Weatherspoon as a free agent.
August 10, 2001: As part of a 3-team trade, the New York Knicks traded Glen Rice to the Houston Rockets; the New York Knicks traded Muggsy Bogues to the Dallas Mavericks; the Dallas Mavericks traded Kyle Hill to the Houston Rockets; the Dallas Mavericks traded Howard Eisley to the New York Knicks; and the Houston Rockets traded Shandon Anderson to the New York Knicks. Dallas also received a trade exception from Houston.
October 1, 2001: Signed Larry Robinson as a free agent.
June 26, 2002: Selected Nene (1st round, 7th pick) and Milos Vujanic (2nd round, 36th pick) in the 2002 NBA Draft.
June 26, 2002: Traded Marcus Camby, Nene and Mark Jackson to the Denver Nuggets for Antonio McDyess, Frank Williams and a 2003 2nd round draft pick (Maciej Lampe).
August 7, 2002: Signed Michael Doleac as a free agent.
September 30, 2002: Signed Mark Pope as a free agent.
October 30, 2002: Signed Lee Nailon as a free agent.
June 11, 2003: Traded Jeff Van Gundy (coach) to the Houston Rockets for a 2005 2nd round draft pick (Dijon Thompson).
June 26, 2003: Selected Mike Sweetney (1st round, 9th pick), Maciej Lampe (2nd round, 30th pick) and Slavko Vranes (2nd round, 39th pick) in the 2003 NBA Draft.
July 23, 2003: As part of a 4-team trade, the New York Knicks traded Latrell Sprewell to the Minnesota Timberwolves; the Atlanta Hawks traded Glenn Robinson and a 2006 2nd round draft pick (Daniel Gibson) to the Philadelphia 76ers; the Minnesota Timberwolves traded Terrell Brandon to the Atlanta Hawks; the Minnesota Timberwolves traded Marc Jackson to the Philadelphia 76ers; the Philadelphia 76ers traded Randy Holcomb and a 2007 1st round draft pick to the Atlanta Hawks; and the Philadelphia 76ers traded Keith Van Horn to the New York Knicks. Atlanta did not receive the 1st round draft pick from Philadelphia because it was lottery protected; they received cash instead.
September 29, 2003: Signed Matt Carroll as a free agent.
October 9, 2003: Signed Dikembe Mutombo as a free agent.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/laydesc99x.html
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5/2/2013  9:49 PM
He did trade Spree and Ewing.. He sucked balls
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5/2/2013  10:05 PM
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matt wrote:Isiah was bad, but his biggest fan is definitely Scott Layden because Layden was arguably worse

It's like comparing dog crap to cow manure. They both were incompetent. I think Isiah was worse in some ways, but I don't know how you measure it. Neither has many merits. I'm just happy they're not here anymore.

It's a difficult question. Going by their draft records it's a clear win for Isiah; Layden didn't draft a single quality NBA player during his time while Isiah got David Lee, Nate Robinson, and Wilson Chandler. In terms of trades I think they're pretty much a tie. The Ewing and McDyess trades were just as bad and damaging as the Marbury and Curry trades. Of course, the way Isiah treated head coaches here was a complete embarrassment and Layden never had any sexual harassment charges against him.

Overall, they both sucked and I'd like to forget either one of them ever existed.

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5/2/2013  10:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/2/2013  10:15 PM
If his track record is any indication, Layden will try and trade for current or former Jazz players. Still can't believe he took on Eisley and Anderson's contracts. They were making 6-7 million a year, for role players no less. I did like that he brought Doleac here.

Marbury and Doleac ran a good P&R. I remember Isiah saying when he traded Doleac and KVH that it was a great trade because we got Nazr. Like he was the final piece in the puzzle. I was very very much against KVH coming to NY but he also worked well with Marbury this time around. Isiah didn't care about what worked he just wanted to put his own stamp on the team regardless of the outcome.

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5/2/2013  10:34 PM
GustavBahler wrote:If his track record is any indication, Layden will try and trade for current or former Jazz players. Still can't believe he took on Eisley and Anderson's contracts. They were making 6-7 million a year, for role players no less. I did like that he brought Doleac here.

Marbury and Doleac ran a good P&R. I remember Isiah saying when he traded Doleac and KVH that it was a great trade because we got Nazr. Like he was the final piece in the puzzle. I was very very much against KVH coming to NY but he also worked well with Marbury this time around. Isiah didn't care about what worked he just wanted to put his own stamp on the team regardless of the outcome.

Right. But are Shandon Anderson and Howard Eisley any worse than Mo Taylor and Malik Rose?

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5/2/2013  10:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/2/2013  10:44 PM
Solace wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:If his track record is any indication, Layden will try and trade for current or former Jazz players. Still can't believe he took on Eisley and Anderson's contracts. They were making 6-7 million a year, for role players no less. I did like that he brought Doleac here.

Marbury and Doleac ran a good P&R. I remember Isiah saying when he traded Doleac and KVH that it was a great trade because we got Nazr. Like he was the final piece in the puzzle. I was very very much against KVH coming to NY but he also worked well with Marbury this time around. Isiah didn't care about what worked he just wanted to put his own stamp on the team regardless of the outcome.

Right. But are Shandon Anderson and Howard Eisley any worse than Mo Taylor and Malik Rose?

Yeah, they all sucked lol. Couldn't wait for Rose to get traded. Was here much too long and started too many times.

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5/2/2013  11:27 PM
Oh man. I have forgotten that we had hotdog neck here.
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5/3/2013  12:38 AM
Layden pales in comparison to the reign of terror inflicted by Isiah Thomas. In retrospect it looks even worse.

Eddy? The price we paid for eddy? 120mil in salary?

As always, the record speaks. Don't' fret over Ewing, that was his request to leave. Don't blame Layden over Spree, that was Dolan who exiled him. Not to say Layden was good by any means, but Isiah is the worst GM in the history of all professional sports!

Thomas' final stat line: a crying shame
By Tom Haberstroh
Special to ESPNNewYork.com

There's Wilt's 100-point game and Oscar's triple-double season in 1962. There's Russell's championship-ring collection that dresses every finger and another. And, of course, there's Jordan's 866 consecutive games scoring in double figures.
These are some of the NBA's most untouchable feats, but perhaps none of them measures up to Isiah Thomas' accomplishment while he ran the New York Knicks. No, it isn't the number of New Yorkers who renounced their identities as Knicks fans. This accomplishment is more cause than effect.
Isiah's cap giveaway

Former Knicks president Isiah Thomas took on $120,661,522 in salary for seven players to play in a combined 82 games for New York from 2005 to 2010.

Player Year Gms Salary
Steve Francis '06-07 44 $15,070,000
Stephon Marbury '07-08 24 $19,012,500
Eddy Curry '09-10 7 $10,500,523
Anfernee Hardawa05-06 4 $15,750,000
Eddy Curry '08-09 3 $9,723,983
Stephon Marbury '08-09 0 $20,840,625
Jerome Williams '07-08 0 $7,639,400
Jerome Williams '06-07 0 $7,014,400
Jerome Williams '05-06 0 $6,620,063
Maurice Taylor '06-07 0 $7,500,000
Dan Dickau '07-08 0 $2,990,028
The feat? Isiah Thomas' fiscal irresponsibility became so extreme during his time as Knicks president from 2003-08 that he paid $120 million for a total of 82 games played.
To be fair, that nine-figure sum was given not to a single player, but to seven who played either partially for the Knicks or never at all. As a comparison, Michael Jordan received a record-breaking $33 million paycheck from the Chicago Bulls in 1996-97, a season in which he averaged 30 points a game and led the Chicago Bulls to a fifth championship in seven years.
The Isiah Seven? They averaged 10.6 points per game over the combined 82-game span, equaling a third of the production for three times the price of that Jordan season.
If the $120 million figure sounds preposterous, that's because it is. In all, Isiah Thomas effectively lit $50.6 million on fire by paying Jerome Williams, Maurice Taylor, Dan Dickau and Stephon Marbury for seasons in which they did not play for the Knicks. While it's true that the Knicks may have been better off without them, $50 million is expensive kindling. By comparison, the Oklahoma City Thunder leveraged a similar sum of money into a playoff appearance and a near-dethroning of the defending champion Lakers this postseason.
So how did this all happen? During Thomas' reign, Madison Square Garden slowly turned into a quarantined depository for the league's diseased payrolls. Despite the common perception that Thomas routinely signed marginal players to exorbitant contracts, none of the players on the $120 million list was actually inked to a contract by Thomas himself. Thomas rescued other league executives and excused them for their colossal overvaluations.
In the summer of 2003, the Bulls were desperate to pawn the Jerome Williams contract they had inherited from the Toronto Raptors, who had recklessly signed the glorified reserve to a seven-year, $41 million deal three summers earlier. Once Isiah came calling for Jamal Crawford, the Bulls found their safety net and successfully unloaded Williams' contract to the Knicks. After one underwhelming season in New York, the Knicks waived Williams but were still responsible for the remaining $21 million paid out over the next three seasons.
Williams wasn't the only salary dump absorbed by the Knicks. The Knicks freed the Rockets from paying the remaining two years and $18 million on Maurice Taylor's contract after Thomas traded for him during the 2004-05 season. Taylor received a cool $7.5 million for the 2006-07 season after getting as much playing time in a Knicks uniform as you did. Dan Dickau was a $3 million afterthought in the infamous Zach Randolph trade with the Blazers, and we all know the bitter ending of the Stephon Marbury contract.
But this list doesn't completely capture the scope of Thomas' fiscal follies. Notice the absence of Jerome James. Thomas signed James to a much-scrutinized five-year, $30 million deal after he tripled his regular-season per-game numbers in the 2004-05 playoffs. But the four games that he totaled in his final two seasons in a Knicks uniform would prove to be too many for our 82-game quota.
Negligible returns

Over its 82 games, Isiah Thomas' salary disaster combined to average 10.6 points, three rebounds and three assists for the Knicks. Here's a look at the $120 million man's stat line:

Points per game 10.6
Rebounds per game 3.0
Assists per game 3.5
FG pct. .411
3-point pct. .376
Free-throw pct. .777
Minutes 26.7
Games 82
Starts 49
Sure, Thomas crippled the long-term flexibility of the franchise by absorbing enormous contracts that pushed the Knicks deep into the luxury tax, but it's easy to forget how his willingness to relinquish future draft picks stunted the franchise's development as well.
Consider that in the deal for Eddy Curry, Thomas gave up the rights to four future draft picks -- four picks that eventually turned into LaMarcus Aldridge, Joakim Noah, Kyrylo Fesenko and Jon Brockman. On top of that, the Utah Jazz will pick in the Knicks' ninth slot in this year's NBA draft thanks to Thomas' blockbuster trade for Stephon Marbury six years ago.
No one understands the ramifications of salary-cap abuse more than Larry Coon, the author of the indispensable NBA Salary Cap FAQ and an administrator at the University of California, Irvine. Professor Coon, as he's called by ESPN.com's Marc Stein, points out that the NBA's salary-cap structure compounded Thomas' poor decision-making by turning misguided deals into debilitating ones.
"It's not so much the money the franchise had to spend," Coon says. "More importantly, he tied up the team's cap room on overpaid, marginal players who consequently were difficult to move."
Andrew Zimbalist agrees. As a sports economist and a professor at Smith College, Zimbalist has written several acclaimed books that focus on the business of sports. Zimbalist contends that the NBA, with its "convoluted salary-cap rules," requires GMs to show stronger fiscal responsibility as opposed to impulsively throwing money at their problems.
"The NBA teams that have tried to do this since the 1998 lockout have failed utterly," Zimbalist says. "Thomas should have known this." Instead, Thomas became the poster boy for executive incompetence.
As Thomas' replacement, Donnie Walsh has primarily spent his time scrubbing away the mess left behind by Thomas, who's now head coach at Florida International.
"Walsh's job wasn't doing something," Coon says of the current president's body of work. "It was undoing what Thomas had done." With a phone as his scouring pad, Walsh has worked the lines to clean the books that were sullied by his predecessor. Yet two years later, Thomas' fingerprints remain.
As most Knicks fans know, the Jazz will occupy the Knicks' lottery seat in this year's draft. Furthermore, Walsh still must find a taker for Eddy Curry's $11.2 million contract, which expires next season, if the Knicks want to be serious bidders for LeBron James or Dwyane Wade this summer.
If anything, Isiah Thomas' tenure teaches us that a Hall of Fame basketball career shouldn't be considered a valid prerequisite for a GM job. Armed with a bachelor's and law degree from the University of North Carolina, Donnie Walsh represents a different kind of NBA executive, with a strong business background and zero playing experience in the league.
"For those who were not already convinced," Zimbalist says, "Thomas should have left no doubt that great players are not necessarily great GMs."
Tom Haberstroh is a regular contributor to ESPN Insider and an NBA analyst for Hoopdata.com. You can follow him on Twitter: @tomhaberstroh.

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5/3/2013  1:12 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Nice! Finally someone who will take Amare off our hands!!

First thought I had.

Talk about getting back for the Mcdyess trade!

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5/3/2013  7:23 AM
Wow, did they see his tenure with New York, his total lack of effectiveness upon returning to Utah!!!
the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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5/3/2013  7:25 AM
DurzoBlint wrote:Wow, did they see his tenure with New York, his total lack of effectiveness upon returning to Utah!!!

Maybe they're just acknowledging that almost everyone comes out looking much worse than they did before working for Dolan.
Suns are considering Scott Layden for GM... HA!

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