however Colin got it in for Carmelo Anthony which I'm sure most fans hears
all Colin's stats of ANTI-Melo Mr. Coward loves to bring up daily, this occurs when
NY is on slide and occurs during NY 18-5 start and recent 10 gm wins in row
present nba win streak.

What Melo does is what he is a scorer he shoots alot, drives alot crazy.

But Melo is hot & when he is not melo is passing the ball to hot hand Knicks
melo gets 7-10 rebounds in good & poor games.

But espn Colin Coward & TNT Chuck-steak Barkley never gives Melo & NY a break.

NY issue is at times JR or Felton, or JKidd or Novacs has times when all these
guys as option cant hit side of barn with shots. Some of same role players are
guys whom at times if their offense stinks it affects their other parts of the game.
Can be freethrows, rebounds & passing, defending 1 to 1 or just good basketball.

There is where Melo shots & sometimes poor shot attempts goes up.
But if Melo offense is off he stills balls & tries to do many other things.

Sure Melo aint going to lead nba in boards, passes, as-sists ..etc

but time to give Melo credit for our team & give kudos for player & guy he is
which is a remarkable nba player & whom is ALL NewYork and even if on nba teams
like Nuggetts & NYK Melo never had the elite stars or best of best role players
Carmelo Anthony nba teams hardly ever missed a nba playoff entry.

and that is a feat ! rarely accomplished for longevity in any Pro sports,
which adds up to RESPECT by foes, allys & most NBA in general outside of NY City.

Time for few NY town clowns to Dis' anything Espn/Colins states &
support yo' superstar with some Big Apple RESPECT!

Mooby is not a knock against Melo, its a knock against fans who hyped him before he set foot on the floor.

So I think Cowherd is slamming the hype, not the player.

Has he yet to acomplish anything significant to earn the hype?

Let him earn his own respect. He is having a real good season and the team will win 50+.

He is victim to the hype. For that he just had to deal with it. He helps create it also. So do most stars.

If knicks get into ECF's he will have earned respect.

Anji wrote:Or should move to brooklyn, he'll be loved by all the fans they stole and even mister poet will get on board. Lots of respect was earned before a ball ever dropped for some reason in BK.

Bonn1997 wrote:He's a scoring specialist and he's well recognized for that.
He'll need to become an outstanding rebounder and/or passer or shot-blocker or contribute in some meaningful ways beyond just high PPG if he wants to be considered a superstar.

Everyone....before becoming annoyed with this statement remember that Bonn doesn't watch sports. Only watches numbers.

Colin Coherd uses strawman arguments. Even when Melo is taking high percentage shots and hitting them at 69%!!! he is complaining about Melo being selfish. It's just silly. Occasionally Melo does forget about his teammates and doesn't pass when he should. I give Melo credit for really cutting down on that this season. Woodson calls a lot of ISO plays, the most in the NBA. But Melo makes the best of that offense.

When I killed Melo was for not making an attempt in D'Antoni's offense, which is not based on ISO plays and is based on ball movement. But when you're utilizing an ISO player to his fullest, I'm fine with how he's playing. When he's guarded single coverage, he dominates the defender and scores 40 or 50. When he's doubled, he finds the open man. He's not an elite passer like LeBron, but he's adequate.

Melo is far from the problem on the Knicks, and I think you definitely can win a championship with Melo if you put the right pieces around him. The biggest problem we have is not having a legit #2 star to compliment Melo. If we had Chris Paul instead of Amar'e, we win the championship this year, in my mind. Overall, Melo has evolved a lot from when he got here. He's a better player than the player we traded for. At that time, I had Melo somewhere in the top 15. He's almost definitely top 5 right now.

Some people might argue against it but I don't think there should be much debate.

And to all of you saying you can't win a championship with Melo....if you can't win a championship with a top 5 player and arguably the best scorer in the game, who can you win with as your main guy? (provided ofcourse you're not the Heat).

I could've gone into more explanations etc, but I'm just gonna shoot it straight, I don't feel like I have to argue Melo's case for being in the top 5, the only ones not acknowledging that are people who dislike him and can't be objective.

joec32033 wrote:
Now I remember Lebron's streak and I didn't hear one criticism of HOW he got his points, or where on the floor his points came from. He got credit for scoring 30 while shooting over whatever percentage for 3 or 4 games. Melo has done the EXACT same thing or better and is criticized for HOW he got his points.

Melo is just a magnet for criticism, just like Ewing was. Playing in NY while not actually being THE BEST player in the NBA invites micro analyzing of everything instead of just enjoying the big picture. He isn't being criticized for being Carmelo Anthony, he is being criticized for NOT being Lebron James.

Nothing Carmelo Anthony does will mollify his detractors. Not a title. Not two titles. Nothing.

Meanwhile, the beloved Jeremy Lin is on 60 Minutes, blaming race for playing a role in why he wasn’t given a Division I basketball scholarship or drafted by an NBA team.. "Well, I think the obvious thing in my mind is that I was Asian-American, which, you know, is a whole different issue but ... I think that was a barrier..."

Really?

Friday, Forbes.com released a story labeling Carmelo Anthony the most overpaid player in the NBA, utilizing a statistical measurement to calculate his win shares and compare it to his salary. And it's ridiculous.

- Steve Popper

joec32033 wrote:It's not a Cowherd problem. It's a media problem.

I listen to Cowherd and I like him. A lot of his arguments are based on most basic denominator type stuff. He is HUGE into college and at the beginning of the year he was high on Melo and how he changed.

Thing is, I listen to SAS and Ryan Rucco (SP?) too. On Wed.'s show they were talking about the Heat win. And Melo's play was brought up. They gave him credit for the play but then criticized HOW he got his points. None were in the paint. None were in the post. They were all jumpshots. Crap like that.

Now I remember Lebron's streak and I didn't hear one criticism of HOW he got his points, or where on the floor his points came from. He got credit for scoring 30 while shooting over whatever percentage for 3 or 4 games. Melo has done the EXACT same thing or better and is criticized for HOW he got his points.

Melo is just a magnet for criticism, just like Ewing was. Playing in NY while not actually being THE BEST player in the NBA invites micro analyzing of everything instead of just enjoying the big picture. He isn't being criticized for being Carmelo Anthony, he is being criticized for NOT being Lebron James.

That doesn't make any sense. If someone's criticizing Melo for taking too many jump shots and not driving or posting enough why would you expect them to turn around and criticize Lebron for taking fewer jump shots and scoring more in the paint?

VCoug wrote:

joec32033 wrote:It's not a Cowherd problem. It's a media problem.

I listen to Cowherd and I like him. A lot of his arguments are based on most basic denominator type stuff. He is HUGE into college and at the beginning of the year he was high on Melo and how he changed.

Thing is, I listen to SAS and Ryan Rucco (SP?) too. On Wed.'s show they were talking about the Heat win. And Melo's play was brought up. They gave him credit for the play but then criticized HOW he got his points. None were in the paint. None were in the post. They were all jumpshots. Crap like that.

Now I remember Lebron's streak and I didn't hear one criticism of HOW he got his points, or where on the floor his points came from. He got credit for scoring 30 while shooting over whatever percentage for 3 or 4 games. Melo has done the EXACT same thing or better and is criticized for HOW he got his points.

Melo is just a magnet for criticism, just like Ewing was. Playing in NY while not actually being THE BEST player in the NBA invites micro analyzing of everything instead of just enjoying the big picture. He isn't being criticized for being Carmelo Anthony, he is being criticized for NOT being Lebron James.

That doesn't make any sense. If someone's criticizing Melo for taking too many jump shots and not driving or posting enough why would you expect them to turn around and criticize Lebron for taking fewer jump shots and scoring more in the paint?

VCoug wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

VCoug wrote:

joec32033 wrote:It's not a Cowherd problem. It's a media problem.

I listen to Cowherd and I like him. A lot of his arguments are based on most basic denominator type stuff. He is HUGE into college and at the beginning of the year he was high on Melo and how he changed.

Thing is, I listen to SAS and Ryan Rucco (SP?) too. On Wed.'s show they were talking about the Heat win. And Melo's play was brought up. They gave him credit for the play but then criticized HOW he got his points. None were in the paint. None were in the post. They were all jumpshots. Crap like that.

Now I remember Lebron's streak and I didn't hear one criticism of HOW he got his points, or where on the floor his points came from. He got credit for scoring 30 while shooting over whatever percentage for 3 or 4 games. Melo has done the EXACT same thing or better and is criticized for HOW he got his points.

Melo is just a magnet for criticism, just like Ewing was. Playing in NY while not actually being THE BEST player in the NBA invites micro analyzing of everything instead of just enjoying the big picture. He isn't being criticized for being Carmelo Anthony, he is being criticized for NOT being Lebron James.

That doesn't make any sense. If someone's criticizing Melo for taking too many jump shots and not driving or posting enough why would you expect them to turn around and criticize Lebron for taking fewer jump shots and scoring more in the paint?

Why even delve into how hes getting his points in the first place?

Because it's not just one night you have to worry about, it's being able to do it night in and night out.

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=2546

That's a shot chart of Melo's season so far. It gives the total amount of shots from different spots on the floor, the %, and how it compares to the rest of the league (green is above average fg%, yellow is average, and red is below average). While he is doing a great job on long jumpers compared to the rest of the league he's still only shooting in the mid- to low- 40% for those spots except for straight away 2's but he's only taken 21 of those on the entire season. If he steps in only a few more feet his shooting % jumps up to over 50%.

Now compare his shot chart to Lebron James' http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=2544&display-mode=performance and Kevin Durant's http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=201142&display-mode=performance. If you look, all three of them have 7 hot zones but their shot distribution tells an interesting story. Lebron takes nearly half his shots at the rim where he's shooting over 70% and the rest of his shots are distributed pretty evenly. Durant's shots are concentrated in his green zones; other than the area around the FT line all his yellow and red zones have the fewest shot attempts. Melo's shot distribution is almost completely even though he's clearly much, much better shooting from the right side instead of the left.

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

VCoug wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

VCoug wrote:

joec32033 wrote:It's not a Cowherd problem. It's a media problem.

I listen to Cowherd and I like him. A lot of his arguments are based on most basic denominator type stuff. He is HUGE into college and at the beginning of the year he was high on Melo and how he changed.

Thing is, I listen to SAS and Ryan Rucco (SP?) too. On Wed.'s show they were talking about the Heat win. And Melo's play was brought up. They gave him credit for the play but then criticized HOW he got his points. None were in the paint. None were in the post. They were all jumpshots. Crap like that.

Now I remember Lebron's streak and I didn't hear one criticism of HOW he got his points, or where on the floor his points came from. He got credit for scoring 30 while shooting over whatever percentage for 3 or 4 games. Melo has done the EXACT same thing or better and is criticized for HOW he got his points.

Melo is just a magnet for criticism, just like Ewing was. Playing in NY while not actually being THE BEST player in the NBA invites micro analyzing of everything instead of just enjoying the big picture. He isn't being criticized for being Carmelo Anthony, he is being criticized for NOT being Lebron James.

That doesn't make any sense. If someone's criticizing Melo for taking too many jump shots and not driving or posting enough why would you expect them to turn around and criticize Lebron for taking fewer jump shots and scoring more in the paint?

Why even delve into how hes getting his points in the first place?

Because it's not just one night you have to worry about, it's being able to do it night in and night out.

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=2546

That's a shot chart of Melo's season so far. It gives the total amount of shots from different spots on the floor, the %, and how it compares to the rest of the league (green is above average fg%, yellow is average, and red is below average). While he is doing a great job on long jumpers compared to the rest of the league he's still only shooting in the mid- to low- 40% for those spots except for straight away 2's but he's only taken 21 of those on the entire season. If he steps in only a few more feet his shooting % jumps up to over 50%.

Now compare his shot chart to Lebron James' http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=2544&display-mode=performance and Kevin Durant's http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=201142&display-mode=performance. If you look, all three of them have 7 hot zones but their shot distribution tells an interesting story. Lebron takes nearly half his shots at the rim where he's shooting over 70% and the rest of his shots are distributed pretty evenly. Durant's shots are concentrated in his green zones; other than the area around the FT line all his yellow and red zones have the fewest shot attempts. Melo's shot distribution is almost completely even though he's clearly much, much better shooting from the right side instead of the left.

If we're talking from the perspective that we're expecting him to keep this up and possibly want to find a way where he can or at least come close then I definitely see your point. I was more addressing the analysts' double standards. However, there are plenty of factors that go into this chart that doesnt tell the whole story. Melos a shooter and Lebron isnt. Then you have to think about the amount of times Melos gotten whacked at the rim with no call and other such factors. But I think you're a lot more rational than the ESPN analysts.

well you can't criticise the numbers per se so what's left is their interpretation. you are accusing analysts of collective bias and if so why?