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Nalod
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3/27/2013  8:23 AM

Nuggets' George Karl has views on NBA playoff seeds
By Benjamin Hochman The Denver Post The Denver Post
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Commissioner George Karl has some ideas.

His grand scheme was revealed before Saturday's game when the Nuggets coach was asked how a division winner (say, the Clippers), can be no lower than a four seed, but if the division-winner's first-round opponent has a better record, that team gets homecourt advantage.

"I don't know if I like it, but I understand why you do it, because there should be some reward for winning your division," Karl said. "Even though, there really isn't."

So he was asked: Do you think you should wipe out divisions and just have conference standings?

"I'm even crazier than that," the Nuggets' coach said.

Oh, yeah? What ya got?

"I think you should put all top-16 and do it that way, and then reseed for the next round," he said.

So basically, here's Karl's idea: The top eight teams from the Western Conference and the top eight teams from the Eastern Conference are put into a playoff pool. At this point, conference affiliation no longer matters. Instead, it's all about record.

The team with the best record plays the team with the 16th-best record and so on.

And then, like he said, they reseed hockey-style for the next round. And so, the NBA's "Final Four" could be four teams from the same conference — but, as proven by this system, perhaps the four best teams in basketball.

"I think it would get fans excited, man. It would be crazy," Karl said. "And we travel with private jets now, so I think you can schedule it to where you'd get two days of rest between games. I think it would be really fun and interesting to see the matchups."

So if you were commissioner, you would try to make this happen? Like, for real?

"I would advocate it," he said. "I don't know if the Board of Governors would pass it, but I would advocate it."

After George had gone off the map with this idea, I chimed in with a thought — why not just get rid of conferences altogether? Why punish a team that's ninth or 10th in the West that's way better than, say, seventh and eighth in the East?

Promptly, Chris Marlowe from Altitude suggested that my thought was "Draconian," and Karl himself said: "I think you're going off the map."

The coach had one other idea on Saturday. Cut the 82-game season to a 62-game season, and then in the middle of the season, "You can take a three-week break and have an NCAA-like tournament. Single elimination is a lot different than a seven-game series."

I'd watch that.

Benjamin Hochman: 303-954-1294, bhochman @denverpost.com or twitter.com/nuggetsnews

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3/27/2013  8:33 AM
Re-seeding and even getting rid of Conferences altogether aren't bad ideas at all. They should generate better playoff matchups especially in the later rounds; for 5 or 6 years after MJ's 2nd retirement we'd have great, exciting WCFs and then whoever won that would throttle whichever crappy East team was sent as sacrifice. I don't understand the point of having a single-elimination tournament in the middle of the season but it's something that Bill Simmons has been talking about for years as well.

Also, I've wanted the NBA to reduce the number of games played for years now; it would reduce injuries, individual games would mean more, and it would improve the quality of play.

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3/27/2013  10:03 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/27/2013  10:06 AM
If you're going for a top 16 conference-free playoffs - going by record alone - you'd have this:

(1) Miami - (16) Utah
(8) Indiana - (9) Brooklyn

(4) Denver - (13) Atlanta
(5) LA Clippers - (12) Chicago

(2) San Antonio - (15) LA Lakers
(7) New York - (10) Golden State

(3) Oklahoma City - (14) Boston
(6) Memphis - (11) Houston


OR - you could say - if you win your division - you get a guaranteed Top 6 seed (but you give up home-court if your record is worse). So then you'd end up with this:

(1) Miami - (16) Utah
(8) Memphis - (9) Brooklyn

(4) LA Clippers - (13) Atlanta
(5) New York - (12) Chicago


(2) San Antonio - (15) LA Lakers
(7) Denver - (10) Golden State

(3) Oklahoma City - (14) Boston
(6) Indiana - (11) Houston


Also, with this bracket, every series is going to have to be 2-3-2, since there's a lot of East/West travel involved.

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3/27/2013  1:52 PM
I always thougth some sort of preseason tournament (logistical nightmare) would be great. Offers teams an incentive to start out strong. Perhaps like the minor league baseball does which is reward the 1st half 1st place team a spot in the playoffs. Either guaranteed home court advantage at some level, or some weighted consideration that makes it worthwhile!

Season is too long and games meaningless.

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3/27/2013  6:32 PM
Awesome idea, New York Golden State first round would be a dream come true

I'm all for shaking it up a little,

On the preseason tournament: they should have Cups throughout the season, like in European soccer leagues, where for example the English league has the FA cup, the League Cup, and they are played during the regular season, at intervals,

they can have like the Nasmith Cup

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3/27/2013  6:32 PM
You could let D-League teams play in the Nasmith Cup, and it could be a chance for NBA teams to play their younger talent, much like English teams do in these sort of things
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3/27/2013  10:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/27/2013  10:59 PM
They'll call it the "Stern challange Cup!"
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3/28/2013  11:50 AM
This will cut out "rivalry" matchups to some extent. Better to have rivalries were there would be coaches who know about the man to man matchups they can place on the floor within their division. Take this to the conference level at most.
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3/28/2013  12:42 PM
UKDad wrote:This will cut out "rivalry" matchups to some extent. Better to have rivalries were there would be coaches who know about the man to man matchups they can place on the floor within their division. Take this to the conference level at most.

Hockey tried it and ended up with an cup final with the Islanders and Flyers!

Good in it had the two best team playing at the end but bad in nobody out west cared.

Ratings drove the decision then and would in the NBA.

The competitive balance might be served better if we reseeded but ratings are the will of the people and the money flows from them, not "balance"!

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3/29/2013  7:52 AM
I like it, but I don't even think it's enough. When you think about it, having a team below the mid point of teams in the league playing a 7 games series against the best team in the conference is ****ing joke.

Personally, I'd love to see Bill Simmons plan or a variation of it implimented, where all the mediocre to pretty good teams play a single elimination/round robin tournament while the good teams get to rest and wait and then play a 7 games series with the teams coming out on top of the tournament. I mean ****, the Knicks may have never beaten the Heat in 7 games and I would bet a lot that the Nuggets probably lose to the Karl's Sonics. The league has many better players yet the product is less entertaining...

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3/29/2013  5:52 PM
Did he say top 8 from each conference or Top ALL 16? That would mean something like 11 teams from the West and 5 from the East given the division fo power these days.
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3/29/2013  6:22 PM
loweyecue wrote:Did he say top 8 from each conference or Top ALL 16? That would mean something like 11 teams from the West and 5 from the East given the division fo power these days.

Yea, and like Nalod said, it would never work because of the cash money,

the problem with shifting the playoff seeding is that every team in the NBA is really part of the same company and because it's all really one big company, they have to spread the butter across all the pancakes; basically, all NBA teams are in cahoots, different sides of the same coin

we contrast this to the European soccer league system where you basically have a bunch of independent clubs playing together in a league,

it's a totally different world, that's why you can get relegated to a lower division or promoted to a higher one,

personally, I prefer the European system, but it's really impossible to implement or even consider here,

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