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BRIGGS
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3/14/2013  11:17 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/14/2013  11:18 AM
Lets be fair here

Lets grade these moves last summer

A Signed Steve Novak to a 4 year 14mm $ contract---grade D-(built 50 games into a lifetime of security--hey nice going)
B. S+T for Marcus Camby(2 2nd round picks) 3 years 12mm I believe the last year is only partially guaranteed--grade--F(complete bust)
C. Signed Jason Kidd for 3 years 9.2mm---grade---D (started off hot and looked like an A but hes fallen so hard so fast and we have two more years of it-
D. Signed Ray Felton 4 years 17mm---grade---B(best signing of offseason but I hope he is not the starting PG for 4 years)
E Decision to let Jeremy Lin go---grade C I understand the finances of it but I have to believe they couldve done something else to appease J Lin before he went to FA
F All other small signings grade C -Rasheed started off well and is done Copeland White??? KT has played well Prigioni has played well but way to old combined and it hurt us

Overall Grade D+ and this stings because we are stuck with it.

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3/14/2013  11:24 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/14/2013  11:26 AM
Cant fault him. It was Dolan who derailed the team when his feelings were hurt and we lost Lin for nothing. Kidd signing wouldbhave looked a lot better. Camby has been a major disappoint but all we gave up was garbage and 2 2nd rd picks. Rasheed, kmart and prigioni are vet minimum deals. The knicks mistake was overlooking the flaws of this core and not adding youth and shooters primiarily around tyson and melo but realostically theybdidnt have the capnspace for any significant pieces because they chose to max out amare and melo
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3/14/2013  11:26 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Cant fault him. It was Dolan who derailed the team when his feelings were hurt and we lost Lin for nothing. Kidd signing wouldbhave looked a lot better. Camby has been a major disappoint but all we gave up was garbage and a 2ND RD pick. Rasheed, kmart and prigioni are vet minimum deals. The knicks mistake was overlooking the flaws of this core and not adding youth and shooters primiarily around tyson and melo but realostically theybdidnt have the capnspace for any significant pieces because they chose to max out amare and melo

We gave up cap space to all f them. We committed our role player money for 3 years to these guys---horrible decisions. we have NO more money to spend.

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3/14/2013  11:33 AM
Briggs, mostly agreed. I say mostly cause I like the Kidd signing, but Woody ran him into the ground.
I liked getting camby, but he got hurt. That was the thing many of us said - taking a chance signing so many old folks. Was my biggest worry and surfaced quickly.

I think the beginning of the end was letting Lin go AND then spending so much money on guys who aren't playing or making a difference. It is tough as a fan, especially when GS, Denver & Houston are playing better than us.

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3/14/2013  11:34 AM
Commiting 3yrs to cheap vets is not a big deal. The core is here to stay for the next 2 years anway. They are responsible for the cap. Not the cheap veterans. I still dont understand why the knicks suddenly started paying attention to the cap with the lin fiasco. Oh wait I do understand. Dolan let his emotions get in the we got to wait another 2yrs for capspace without any llayers with ipside
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3/14/2013  11:35 AM
Earth dont forget we helped resurrect Chicago as well
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3/14/2013  11:45 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Earth dont forget we helped resurrect Chicago as well

If we signed

Blatche
Robinson
J Oneal
S Livingston
M Webster


different team no long term commitment either.

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3/14/2013  11:45 AM
Might be best to refer to Glen as Grunwald from here on out
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3/14/2013  11:45 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Commiting 3yrs to cheap vets is not a big deal. The core is here to stay for the next 2 years anway. They are responsible for the cap. Not the cheap veterans. I still dont understand why the knicks suddenly started paying attention to the cap with the lin fiasco. Oh wait I do understand. Dolan let his emotions get in the we got to wait another 2yrs for capspace without any llayers with ipside

I think we should have gone after a number 2 scorer instead or in addition to the vets. It looked like Lin was that for us, which made not resigning him crazy.

Who is our number 2 in the starting line-up???

Thx for the Chicago reminder, eheheh...

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3/14/2013  11:48 AM
Yea that is a big part of why i wanted lin here. He would be our 2nd or 3rd most efficient scorer. Never mind his playmaking and court vision
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3/14/2013  11:53 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Commiting 3yrs to cheap vets is not a big deal. The core is here to stay for the next 2 years anway. They are responsible for the cap. Not the cheap veterans. I still dont understand why the knicks suddenly started paying attention to the cap with the lin fiasco. Oh wait I do understand. Dolan let his emotions get in the we got to wait another 2yrs for capspace without any llayers with ipside

I wasn't too mad about Dolan not paying Lin, but why the hell didn't they try and get something for him through a sign & trade? Imagine a guy like Chandler Parsons on our bench. I think Dolan completely blew it there w/ his meddling, as he did sticking his ugly face in the Melo deal.

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3/14/2013  11:58 AM
sealy wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Commiting 3yrs to cheap vets is not a big deal. The core is here to stay for the next 2 years anway. They are responsible for the cap. Not the cheap veterans. I still dont understand why the knicks suddenly started paying attention to the cap with the lin fiasco. Oh wait I do understand. Dolan let his emotions get in the we got to wait another 2yrs for capspace without any llayers with ipside

I wasn't too mad about Dolan not paying Lin, but why the hell didn't they try and get something for him through a sign & trade? Imagine a guy like Chandler Parsons on our bench. I think Dolan completely blew it there w/ his meddling, as he did sticking his ugly face in the Melo deal.

I am not sure the Knicks could have done a sign-and-trade deal with Lin at any number HIGHER than what they could have offered him, which would have been LOWER than an offer from Houston outright. So why would Lin participate in a SnT?

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3/14/2013  12:05 PM
martin wrote:
sealy wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Commiting 3yrs to cheap vets is not a big deal. The core is here to stay for the next 2 years anway. They are responsible for the cap. Not the cheap veterans. I still dont understand why the knicks suddenly started paying attention to the cap with the lin fiasco. Oh wait I do understand. Dolan let his emotions get in the we got to wait another 2yrs for capspace without any llayers with ipside

I wasn't too mad about Dolan not paying Lin, but why the hell didn't they try and get something for him through a sign & trade? Imagine a guy like Chandler Parsons on our bench. I think Dolan completely blew it there w/ his meddling, as he did sticking his ugly face in the Melo deal.

I am not sure the Knicks could have done a sign-and-trade deal with Lin at any number HIGHER than what they could have offered him, which would have been LOWER than an offer from Houston outright. So why would Lin participate in a SnT?

Thought it was similar to NFL when RFA are tendered with a draft pick and if a team offers a larger contract, then that new team has to compensate the old team with the right to match the offer. I guess I am wrong, but thought that was the gist of it.

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3/14/2013  12:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/14/2013  12:08 PM
Yea definitely not sign and trade in the offseason but Lin would have given us a young asset to trade during thisbseason. Dont think we would have traded him though. I still think he wouldve been fine under the veteran leadership of kidd and prigs. . Lins numbers have been good since the poor start when he was gaining confidence in his knee. We've seen him play closer tonlinsanity levels since he light us up at the garden on Dec 17th. Which coincides with the collapse of this team after the great 18-5 start
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3/14/2013  12:31 PM
+100 BRIGGS... i agree!
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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3/14/2013  12:40 PM
Lin isnt that good and if it wasnt for Harden he wouldve been exposed for how average he is...hes not good or bad, hes just VERY average...i keep comparing him to Jarret Jack in that sure he'll have some moments but hes a starter on a bad team and good back up on a good team...a servicable 12ppg and 6asts

that leads me to WHO we actually acquired:

1. Signed Ray Felton 4 years 17mm = i actually liked this signing. I knew he wasnt a superstar but i thought he would get Amare going. plus he had a chip on his shoulder. At this point however, hes too brittle and cant finish like he used to. he has played too many mins and should probably be a back up

2. Signed Steve Novak to a 4 year 14mm $ contract= i actually liked novak and thought this was a good deal. but teams know how to play him and we dont swing the ball like we used to

3. S+T for Marcus Camby(2 2nd round picks) 3 years 12mm = i thought camby still had something left to backup tyson. but this is horrible becuase this old man is signed for 3 yrs

4. Signed Jason Kidd for 3 years 9.2mm = i hated this trade becuase i wanted lin to stay with felton as the backup. kidd proved me wrong at first but now hes washed up

5 All other small signings = i was suprused wish prigs, white, cope, rasheed and even kurt but theyre washed up. I do like kenyon and actually would like to see him play next yr.

guys we missed out on who signed for MAD CHEAP were: Blatche (i was a lil hesistant due to his reputation but he can play), M Webster (solid role player) and courtney lee (whos rotting on the celtics bench)

Im hoping we cut: prigs, cope, rasheed, kurt and white and use the 3MLE to sign a dante cunningham, webster or tolliver (a young role player who could start and do the dirty work)

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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3/14/2013  12:42 PM
His biggest sin is not signing Lin. Just not good business. Even if you don't think he was worth it, you can't let an asset go without compensation.
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3/14/2013  12:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/14/2013  12:58 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Earth dont forget we helped resurrect Chicago as well

If we signed

Blatche
Robinson
J Oneal
S Livingston
M Webster


different team no long term commitment either.

Blatche hasnt been all that great lately. Was benched for lack of defense and rebounding turnovers. I would love webster but thisbis kind of of his breakout year. Jermaine is old and major injury benefitting from the deer antler labs in arizona. Livingston fell off the face of the earth and Nate is too special for this team

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3/14/2013  12:54 PM
Id take blatche over kurt, white, prigoni or rasheed anyday (theyre all making around the same salary)
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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3/14/2013  12:56 PM
callmened wrote:Lin isnt that good and if it wasnt for Harden he wouldve been exposed for how average he is...hes not good or bad, hes just VERY average...i keep comparing him to Jarret Jack in that sure he'll have some moments but hes a starter on a bad team and good back up on a good team...a servicable 12ppg and 6asts

that leads me to WHO we actually acquired:

1. Signed Ray Felton 4 years 17mm = i actually liked this signing. I knew he wasnt a superstar but i thought he would get Amare going. plus he had a chip on his shoulder. At this point however, hes too brittle and cant finish like he used to. he has played too many mins and should probably be a back up

2. Signed Steve Novak to a 4 year 14mm $ contract= i actually liked novak and thought this was a good deal. but teams know how to play him and we dont swing the ball like we used to

3. S+T for Marcus Camby(2 2nd round picks) 3 years 12mm = i thought camby still had something left to backup tyson. but this is horrible becuase this old man is signed for 3 yrs

4. Signed Jason Kidd for 3 years 9.2mm = i hated this trade becuase i wanted lin to stay with felton as the backup. kidd proved me wrong at first but now hes washed up

5 All other small signings = i was suprused wish prigs, white, cope, rasheed and even kurt but theyre washed up. I do like kenyon and actually would like to see him play next yr.

guys we missed out on who signed for MAD CHEAP were: Blatche (i was a lil hesistant due to his reputation but he can play), M Webster (solid role player) and courtney lee (whos rotting on the celtics bench)

Im hoping we cut: prigs, cope, rasheed, kurt and white and use the 3MLE to sign a dante cunningham, webster or tolliver (a young role player who could start and do the dirty work)


We couldnt use lin and his average penetrating and finishing at will and dishing? Running the floor and pushing the temple for easy baskets instead of halfcourt 3pt chuckfest?
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