Ian Thomsen: Two years later, Carmelo trade has benefited Knicks, Nuggets

Carmelo Anthony (left) and Danilo Gallinari were part of a three-team, 13-player trade two years ago.
I thought the Knicks gave up too much in the Carmelo Anthony trade, but only Danilo Gallinari seems to have a chance to become big star among the players Denver received. What do you think of that trade two years later?
– David Chabon, Marlboro, N.J.

It’s a good question to bring up, David, as Anthony returns to Denver on Wednesday for the first time since the February 2011 trade, which included three teams (the Timberwolves joined the Knicks and Nuggets) and 13 players.

As well as the Nuggets have played since sending Anthony and Chauncey Billups to New York for a package that included Gallinari, Raymond Felton, Wilson Chandler, Timofey Mozgov and a 2014 first-round pick, it’s important to remember that they didn’t want to make the trade. Anthony insisted on being moved to the New York market, and he wanted to be dealt in time to sign an extension under the old collective bargaining agreement, before the lockout negotiations could reduce the money he might make on his next deal.

The trade surely improved the Knicks, who were finally able to land a star replacement for Patrick Ewing in Anthony, a two-time Olympic gold medalist who at 28 is in his peak years. They also amnestied Billups before the 2011-12 season to create room to acquire Tyson Chandler, who was named Defensive Player of the Year in his first season with the Knicks.

[Carmelo expects knee trouble to continue all season]

At the time of the trade, I didn’t understand the argument that the Knicks had given up too much for Anthony. My view hasn’t changed. The controversial part of the trade involved whether the Knicks should include Mozgov, who at that time was a 24-year-old rookie. Mozgov has the wherewithal to be a starting center, but in three NBA seasons he has never averaged more than 15.6 minutes per game. It was the inclusion of Mozgov that persuaded the Nuggets to stop negotiating with the Nets in order to complete the deal with the Knicks, who from their point of view gave up relatively little in return for Anthony and Chandler.

The surprising outcome is that the Nuggets have outperformed the Knicks since the trade (Denver has won nearly 64 percent of its regular-season games and New York has won 57 percent), though neither team has won a playoff series. After a hot start this season, the Knicks (38-23) are 20-18 since mid-December. The Nuggets (43-22), meanwhile, have gone 31-10 in that stretch. Both teams are contending for top-four seeds in their respective conferences.

Though Gallinari is the one player with star potential to come to Denver, the Nuggets were able to improve their depth with NBA-ready contributors. Gallinari and Kosta Koufos, who was obtained from the Timberwolves in the trade, are starters. Chandler is part of the rotation, and the Nuggets traded Felton to Portland for point guard Andre Miller in June 2011. (Felton returned to New York last summer at a starting salary of $3.5 million.) The Nuggets used the 2014 first-round pick that they received from the Knicks in last summer’s deal for Andre Iguodala, and Denver has the right to switch first-round picks with the Knicks in 2016.

While the Nuggets have a better opportunity to improve their roster moving forward, it can’t be said that the trade has hamstrung the Knicks. After all, Anthony and Chandler rank among the best in the NBA at their positions. The issue is that Amar’e Stoudemire hasn’t had an extended run of good health since the 2011 playoffs, and his $19.9 million salary will be almost impossible to move.

[Stoudemire sidelined for weeks after another knee surgery]

The Knicks don’t have the means to add another major player over the next couple of years. If Stoudemire recovers his old form and if he is able to play at a highly productive level alongside Anthony and Chandler, the Knicks will have the chance to go farther than the Nuggets. As constructed right now, however, they look no better than a second-round team — the same as Denver.

babyKnicks wrote:Ian Thomsen

Ian Thomsen: Two years later, Carmelo trade has benefited Knicks, Nuggets

Carmelo Anthony (left) and Danilo Gallinari were part of a three-team, 13-player trade two years ago.
I thought the Knicks gave up too much in the Carmelo Anthony trade, but only Danilo Gallinari seems to have a chance to become big star among the players Denver received. What do you think of that trade two years later?
– David Chabon, Marlboro, N.J.

It’s a good question to bring up, David, as Anthony returns to Denver on Wednesday for the first time since the February 2011 trade, which included three teams (the Timberwolves joined the Knicks and Nuggets) and 13 players.

As well as the Nuggets have played since sending Anthony and Chauncey Billups to New York for a package that included Gallinari, Raymond Felton, Wilson Chandler, Timofey Mozgov and a 2014 first-round pick, it’s important to remember that they didn’t want to make the trade. Anthony insisted on being moved to the New York market, and he wanted to be dealt in time to sign an extension under the old collective bargaining agreement, before the lockout negotiations could reduce the money he might make on his next deal.

The trade surely improved the Knicks, who were finally able to land a star replacement for Patrick Ewing in Anthony, a two-time Olympic gold medalist who at 28 is in his peak years. They also amnestied Billups before the 2011-12 season to create room to acquire Tyson Chandler, who was named Defensive Player of the Year in his first season with the Knicks.

[Carmelo expects knee trouble to continue all season]

At the time of the trade, I didn’t understand the argument that the Knicks had given up too much for Anthony. My view hasn’t changed. The controversial part of the trade involved whether the Knicks should include Mozgov, who at that time was a 24-year-old rookie. Mozgov has the wherewithal to be a starting center, but in three NBA seasons he has never averaged more than 15.6 minutes per game. It was the inclusion of Mozgov that persuaded the Nuggets to stop negotiating with the Nets in order to complete the deal with the Knicks, who from their point of view gave up relatively little in return for Anthony and Chandler.

The surprising outcome is that the Nuggets have outperformed the Knicks since the trade (Denver has won nearly 64 percent of its regular-season games and New York has won 57 percent), though neither team has won a playoff series. After a hot start this season, the Knicks (38-23) are 20-18 since mid-December. The Nuggets (43-22), meanwhile, have gone 31-10 in that stretch. Both teams are contending for top-four seeds in their respective conferences.

Though Gallinari is the one player with star potential to come to Denver, the Nuggets were able to improve their depth with NBA-ready contributors. Gallinari and Kosta Koufos, who was obtained from the Timberwolves in the trade, are starters. Chandler is part of the rotation, and the Nuggets traded Felton to Portland for point guard Andre Miller in June 2011. (Felton returned to New York last summer at a starting salary of $3.5 million.) The Nuggets used the 2014 first-round pick that they received from the Knicks in last summer’s deal for Andre Iguodala, and Denver has the right to switch first-round picks with the Knicks in 2016.

While the Nuggets have a better opportunity to improve their roster moving forward, it can’t be said that the trade has hamstrung the Knicks. After all, Anthony and Chandler rank among the best in the NBA at their positions. The issue is that Amar’e Stoudemire hasn’t had an extended run of good health since the 2011 playoffs, and his $19.9 million salary will be almost impossible to move.

[Stoudemire sidelined for weeks after another knee surgery]

The Knicks don’t have the means to add another major player over the next couple of years. If Stoudemire recovers his old form and if he is able to play at a highly productive level alongside Anthony and Chandler, the Knicks will have the chance to go farther than the Nuggets. As constructed right now, however, they look no better than a second-round team — the same as Denver.

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babyKnicks wrote:Ian Thomsen

Ian Thomsen: Two years later, Carmelo trade has benefited Knicks, Nuggets

Carmelo Anthony (left) and Danilo Gallinari were part of a three-team, 13-player trade two years ago.
I thought the Knicks gave up too much in the Carmelo Anthony trade, but only Danilo Gallinari seems to have a chance to become big star among the players Denver received. What do you think of that trade two years later?
– David Chabon, Marlboro, N.J.

It’s a good question to bring up, David, as Anthony returns to Denver on Wednesday for the first time since the February 2011 trade, which included three teams (the Timberwolves joined the Knicks and Nuggets) and 13 players.

As well as the Nuggets have played since sending Anthony and Chauncey Billups to New York for a package that included Gallinari, Raymond Felton, Wilson Chandler, Timofey Mozgov and a 2014 first-round pick, it’s important to remember that they didn’t want to make the trade. Anthony insisted on being moved to the New York market, and he wanted to be dealt in time to sign an extension under the old collective bargaining agreement, before the lockout negotiations could reduce the money he might make on his next deal.

The trade surely improved the Knicks, who were finally able to land a star replacement for Patrick Ewing in Anthony, a two-time Olympic gold medalist who at 28 is in his peak years. They also amnestied Billups before the 2011-12 season to create room to acquire Tyson Chandler, who was named Defensive Player of the Year in his first season with the Knicks.

[Carmelo expects knee trouble to continue all season]

At the time of the trade, I didn’t understand the argument that the Knicks had given up too much for Anthony. My view hasn’t changed. The controversial part of the trade involved whether the Knicks should include Mozgov, who at that time was a 24-year-old rookie. Mozgov has the wherewithal to be a starting center, but in three NBA seasons he has never averaged more than 15.6 minutes per game. It was the inclusion of Mozgov that persuaded the Nuggets to stop negotiating with the Nets in order to complete the deal with the Knicks, who from their point of view gave up relatively little in return for Anthony and Chandler.

The surprising outcome is that the Nuggets have outperformed the Knicks since the trade (Denver has won nearly 64 percent of its regular-season games and New York has won 57 percent), though neither team has won a playoff series. After a hot start this season, the Knicks (38-23) are 20-18 since mid-December. The Nuggets (43-22), meanwhile, have gone 31-10 in that stretch. Both teams are contending for top-four seeds in their respective conferences.

Though Gallinari is the one player with star potential to come to Denver, the Nuggets were able to improve their depth with NBA-ready contributors. Gallinari and Kosta Koufos, who was obtained from the Timberwolves in the trade, are starters. Chandler is part of the rotation, and the Nuggets traded Felton to Portland for point guard Andre Miller in June 2011. (Felton returned to New York last summer at a starting salary of $3.5 million.) The Nuggets used the 2014 first-round pick that they received from the Knicks in last summer’s deal for Andre Iguodala, and Denver has the right to switch first-round picks with the Knicks in 2016.

While the Nuggets have a better opportunity to improve their roster moving forward, it can’t be said that the trade has hamstrung the Knicks. After all, Anthony and Chandler rank among the best in the NBA at their positions. The issue is that Amar’e Stoudemire hasn’t had an extended run of good health since the 2011 playoffs, and his $19.9 million salary will be almost impossible to move.

[Stoudemire sidelined for weeks after another knee surgery]

The Knicks don’t have the means to add another major player over the next couple of years. If Stoudemire recovers his old form and if he is able to play at a highly productive level alongside Anthony and Chandler, the Knicks will have the chance to go farther than the Nuggets. As constructed right now, however, they look no better than a second-round team — the same as Denver.

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StarksEwing1 wrote:It wasnt just the actual trade. denver had a lot of cap space and were able to bring other guys in that fit. They also have drafted very well