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GodSaveTheKnicks
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3/13/2013  3:20 AM
After the 2013/2014 season, Melo decides to exercise his player option for 2014/2015 and then go into free agency after the season. You're the GM for the Knicks. Tyson Chandler and Amare come off the books too. Shump is a restricted FA. You have $8M on the cap. This is a fun exercise to prove your GM skills beyond bitching about what Dolan/Grunny does. Let's put our cards on the table so we can make fun of each other in 2020 after we can kind of see how our imaginary moves would have played out.

1) Assuming you resign Melo to something close to the max, what moves do you make after that?
2) Assuming you don't who do you max out instead and then build around?

Roster

PG: Felton (will DEFINITELY exercise that awesome player option we gave him to ward of all the other teams hot on his trail this offseason)
SG:
SF:
PF:
C:

Bench: Steve Novak

FA class after 2014/2015 season

PGs:
Kyrie Irving
Tony Parker
Jeremy Lin (if he's still in the league..y'know since he's so terrible I have no idea how he even started at Harvard)
Goran Dragic
Steve Nash (FINALLY the Knicks can max him out!)

Wings:
Danny Green
Aaron Afflalo
Thaddeus Young
Chandler Parsons
Eric Gordon
Rudy Gay

Bigs:

Marc Gasol (1 year younger but Memphis is his hometown)
Kevin Love (4 years younger than Melo. if he doesn't exercise his option. not exactly all world defender but never described as 'disinterested')
Omer Asik
LaMarcus Aldridge
Roy Hibbert
DeAndre Jordan (if he's developed)
ZBo (part 2!)

This is not taking into account guys that might be FAs depending on what their teams do with their options, RFA, etc.

Go!

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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jrodmc
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3/13/2013  8:53 AM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:After the 2013/2014 season, Melo decides to exercise his player option for 2014/2015 and then go into free agency after the season. You're the GM for the Knicks. Tyson Chandler and Amare come off the books too. Shump is a restricted FA. You have $8M on the cap. This is a fun exercise to prove your GM skills beyond bitching about what Dolan/Grunny does. Let's put our cards on the table so we can make fun of each other in 2020 after we can kind of see how our imaginary moves would have played out.

1) Assuming you resign Melo to something close to the max, what moves do you make after that?
2) Assuming you don't who do you max out instead and then build around?

Roster

PG: Felton (will DEFINITELY exercise that awesome player option we gave him to ward of all the other teams hot on his trail this offseason)
SG:
SF:
PF:
C:

Bench: Steve Novak

FA class after 2014/2015 season

PGs:
Kyrie Irving
Tony Parker
Jeremy Lin (if he's still in the league..y'know since he's so terrible I have no idea how he even started at Harvard)
Goran Dragic
Steve Nash (FINALLY the Knicks can max him out!)

Wings:
Danny Green
Aaron Afflalo
Thaddeus Young
Chandler Parsons
Eric Gordon
Rudy Gay

Bigs:

Marc Gasol (1 year younger but Memphis is his hometown)
Kevin Love (4 years younger than Melo. if he doesn't exercise his option. not exactly all world defender but never described as 'disinterested')
Omer Asik
LaMarcus Aldridge
Roy Hibbert
DeAndre Jordan (if he's developed)
ZBo (part 2!)

This is not taking into account guys that might be FAs depending on what their teams do with their options, RFA, etc.

Go!

The thought of still posting here in 2020 is beyond depressing. Posting here today is depressing enough.

VCoug
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3/13/2013  10:57 AM
I want to break down our salary situation that Summer. Novak's due $3.75M, Felton has a player option for $4.54M, and Shumpert has a qualifying offer of $3.89M for a total of about $12M in contracts. If we resign Melo to the max that's another $25M bringing us to $37M. We have our own 1st round picks in 2013 and 2015 and OKC's 2nd rounder in 2014; let's assume we keep the firsts but not the second since it'll be near the bottom of the draft, that's around $3M combined bringing us to $40M. I would also imagine that we're using the MLE the next two years and that would be $3M each time we use, so that adds another $6M bringing us to $46M. JR is going to be a free agent sometime in the next 2 years and I would imagine we'll be trying to resign him. If he opts out after this year we'll have his Early Bird Rights and we should be able to offer him a contract at $5M/year (I'm not sure of that number, we might only be able to offer him a deal at $3M/year). If he doesn't opt out we'll have his full Bird Rights the Summer of 2014 and we'll be able to resign him for any amount, I would imagine it would be around $7M or $8M per year. If we resign JR that'll bring out cap number to somewhere between $49M and $54M.

The current salary cap is $58M, it should go up the next few years but not enough where we'd be able to offer a max deal. My uneducated guess would be it lands somewhere between $62M and $63M. That means we'd have anything between $9M and $14M to offer free agents that year. It also means we're waiving our Bird rights for our other free agents and won't be able to go over the cap to resign any of them. Also, you left Rondo off the PGs list, he's a free agent that Summer as well.

Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
GodSaveTheKnicks
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3/13/2013  5:29 PM
VCoug wrote:I want to break down our salary situation that Summer. Novak's due $3.75M, Felton has a player option for $4.54M, and Shumpert has a qualifying offer of $3.89M for a total of about $12M in contracts. If we resign Melo to the max that's another $25M bringing us to $37M. We have our own 1st round picks in 2013 and 2015 and OKC's 2nd rounder in 2014; let's assume we keep the firsts but not the second since it'll be near the bottom of the draft, that's around $3M combined bringing us to $40M. I would also imagine that we're using the MLE the next two years and that would be $3M each time we use, so that adds another $6M bringing us to $46M. JR is going to be a free agent sometime in the next 2 years and I would imagine we'll be trying to resign him. If he opts out after this year we'll have his Early Bird Rights and we should be able to offer him a contract at $5M/year (I'm not sure of that number, we might only be able to offer him a deal at $3M/year). If he doesn't opt out we'll have his full Bird Rights the Summer of 2014 and we'll be able to resign him for any amount, I would imagine it would be around $7M or $8M per year. If we resign JR that'll bring out cap number to somewhere between $49M and $54M.

The current salary cap is $58M, it should go up the next few years but not enough where we'd be able to offer a max deal. My uneducated guess would be it lands somewhere between $62M and $63M. That means we'd have anything between $9M and $14M to offer free agents that year. It also means we're waiving our Bird rights for our other free agents and won't be able to go over the cap to resign any of them. Also, you left Rondo off the PGs list, he's a free agent that Summer as well.

PG: Felton 4.54M
SG: Shumpert 3.89M
SF: Melo $25 M
PF:
C:

JR $7M

?s
MLE FA 1 $3M
MLE FA 2 $3M

BN: Rookie 1
BN: Rookie 2

This is why it may not make sense to resign Melo. Further details later..

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
StarksEwing1
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3/13/2013  5:36 PM
to be honest i felt the same way in 2010. I was 90% sure we would get lebton but the second we lost out on lebron our title hopes were dashed
GodSaveTheKnicks
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3/13/2013  6:02 PM
Character issues aside here's the most compelling reason to let Melo walk.

Years in NBA1 Defined maximum salary 2011-12 2012-13
0 - 6 25% of cap $12,922,194 $13,668,750
7 - 9 30% of cap $15,506,632 $16,402,500
10+ 35% of cap $18,091,071 $19,136,250

Melo was drafted in 2003, so he'd qualify for the real max a player with 10+ years would command.

It may be easier to build a team around a premier FA in the lower tiers of experience who will be FAs after the 2014/201 season. Marc Gasol, Rondo, Kevin Love, etc.

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arkrud
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3/13/2013  6:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/13/2013  7:20 PM
What if Jimmy will die from stupidity overdose by 2014...?
What if we will have people from China on Mars and Lin will do some astronaut commercials?
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
Distract yourself from Amare and Melo's knee and take a trip...TO THE FUTURE!

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