Carmelo + Felton to Washington

for

John Wall Okafor pick 3 and pick 33 in 2013 (players back Olynck(only way I do the deal) and Seth Curry or Erick Greene at 33

Tyson Chandler + Jason Kidd to Charlotte for pick 13 and Ben Gordon.(Wolters or Burke) and pick 23 Mike Muscalla

Following year I would have 20+ million in cap space for additional year and the MLE for this year
That would give me

7-0 245 Olynck
6-11 245 Muscalla
6-4 John Wall
6-4 Wolters
6-2 Curry or Greene
6-6 Iman Shumpert

to build around

and for next year add Ok4 Gordon(6th man) Stoudemire Camby as my vets.

gunsnewing wrote:In the original blow it up thread i had suggested trade melo to minny for derrick williams breakout star pf, 1st rd pick luke ridnour. Minny pairs love up with melo and have a formidable team.

Papabear Says

No No No that's not gonna happen. When will you realize as long as Dolan is in charge Melo is here till he retires. So with that in mind try to build a team around Melo.

Papabear wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:In the original blow it up thread i had suggested trade melo to minny for derrick williams breakout star pf, 1st rd pick luke ridnour. Minny pairs love up with melo and have a formidable team.

Papabear Says

No No No that's not gonna happen. When will you realize as long as Dolan is in charge Melo is here till he retires. So with that in mind try to build a team around Melo.

Im just using example--thats all. Remember LBJ is a free agent the year after--that would give us the cap room and a bunch of really nice young players. There is no team except maybe the Spurs at full health who can beat the Heat in 7 games.

BRIGGS wrote:

Papabear wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:In the original blow it up thread i had suggested trade melo to minny for derrick williams breakout star pf, 1st rd pick luke ridnour. Minny pairs love up with melo and have a formidable team.

Papabear Says

No No No that's not gonna happen. When will you realize as long as Dolan is in charge Melo is here till he retires. So with that in mind try to build a team around Melo.

Im just using example--thats all. Remember LBJ is a free agent the year after--that would give us the cap room and a bunch of really nice young players. There is no team except maybe the Spurs at full health who can beat the Heat in 7 games.

LBJ would only come here if we still had Anthony and Chandler. That's the perfect cast for him. I would let all players expire and resign those 2 only, while adding role players via draft and FA bargain bin in the meantime.

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Papabear wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:In the original blow it up thread i had suggested trade melo to minny for derrick williams breakout star pf, 1st rd pick luke ridnour. Minny pairs love up with melo and have a formidable team.

Papabear Says

No No No that's not gonna happen. When will you realize as long as Dolan is in charge Melo is here till he retires. So with that in mind try to build a team around Melo.

Im just using example--thats all. Remember LBJ is a free agent the year after--that would give us the cap room and a bunch of really nice young players. There is no team except maybe the Spurs at full health who can beat the Heat in 7 games.

LBJ would only come here if we still had Anthony and Chandler. That's the perfect cast for him. I would let all players expire and resign those 2 only, while adding role players via draft and FA bargain bin in the meantime.

Might have to just let them expire but if the knicks can be proactive this offseason it would benfit everyone. No one wants to wait til 2015 after waiting 2yrs for Lebron

Papabear wrote:

dk7th wrote:the thing of it is this: melo is not a player you build around. he doesn't make others better he makes them worse. he is personally creative with his versatile if inconsistent ways to score but he doesn't create for others in any meaningful way on a consistent basis. cowherd summed it up recently as "brilliant but flawed... who exhausts the players he plays with over the course of a season."

he is a second fiddle sort but of the worst kind: the kind who has the conceit that he is the main guy. it was that conceit that compelled him to seek max money before the new cba, it was that conceit that made it okay in his mind to decimate a team he was going to, and it was that conceit that made him balk at playing with any kind of true orchestrator. he is a chemistry killer and he doesn't defend nearly well enough to make up for his limited offensive game.

so the only scenario that would work for anthony is one where there is a solid team already in place and he was acquired as a free agent. such a team might exist but none come to mind. the knicks back in 2010-2011 might have been the closest thing, ironically.

nothing worse than a player who has a higher opinion of his abilities than he should.

Papabear Says

Are you saying the 2010 Knicks with Gallo Wilson Chandler, no center would win a championship?? You must be kidding. I don't mean it in a sarcastic way. That was a 500 ball club healthy. We need to build around Melo. We need shooters, shooters and defenders. Melo have no one to make better on this team. When you talk of LeBron he will go down in history better than Jordan. Jordan was a great player but LeBron is a Friek of nature in a good way.

Exactly right. How about we try building around Melo the right way before we write him off. We owe him and the FO that at least.

Papabear wrote:

dk7th wrote:the thing of it is this: melo is not a player you build around. he doesn't make others better he makes them worse. he is personally creative with his versatile if inconsistent ways to score but he doesn't create for others in any meaningful way on a consistent basis. cowherd summed it up recently as "brilliant but flawed... who exhausts the players he plays with over the course of a season."

he is a second fiddle sort but of the worst kind: the kind who has the conceit that he is the main guy. it was that conceit that compelled him to seek max money before the new cba, it was that conceit that made it okay in his mind to decimate a team he was going to, and it was that conceit that made him balk at playing with any kind of true orchestrator. he is a chemistry killer and he doesn't defend nearly well enough to make up for his limited offensive game.

so the only scenario that would work for anthony is one where there is a solid team already in place and he was acquired as a free agent. such a team might exist but none come to mind. the knicks back in 2010-2011 might have been the closest thing, ironically.

nothing worse than a player who has a higher opinion of his abilities than he should.

Papabear Says

Are you saying the 2010 Knicks with Gallo Wilson Chandler, no center would win a championship?? You must be kidding. I don't mean it in a sarcastic way. That was a 500 ball club healthy. We need to build around Melo. We need shooters, shooters and defenders. Melo have no one to make better on this team. When you talk of LeBron he will go down in history better than Jordan. Jordan was a great player but LeBron is a Friek of nature in a good way.

we were in rebuilding mode. felton would have been a stop-gap until we found a better point guard to work with amare. if amare goes down with bad knees at least you still have a better point guard than felton to set other players up properly. felton can't and i think you guys are finally beginning to see that. it's hard to believe that d'antoni waited two years, working with chris duhon, only to have a two-year cheap deal of felton to work with amare. amare wanted ridnour-- a fact that resonated to this day.

i never said contend for a title, did i? but we were heading to the playoffs as an 8th seed or perhaps we would have barely missed the playoffs. the 8th seed that year was indiana with a 37-45 record. remember that as of the trade we were 28-26. think about it: this means that we could have gone 9-19 the remaining 28 games and still made the playoffs! in my mind that would still have been acceptable because we were in rebuild mode not win-now mode.

dk7th wrote:

Papabear wrote:

dk7th wrote:the thing of it is this: melo is not a player you build around. he doesn't make others better he makes them worse. he is personally creative with his versatile if inconsistent ways to score but he doesn't create for others in any meaningful way on a consistent basis. cowherd summed it up recently as "brilliant but flawed... who exhausts the players he plays with over the course of a season."

he is a second fiddle sort but of the worst kind: the kind who has the conceit that he is the main guy. it was that conceit that compelled him to seek max money before the new cba, it was that conceit that made it okay in his mind to decimate a team he was going to, and it was that conceit that made him balk at playing with any kind of true orchestrator. he is a chemistry killer and he doesn't defend nearly well enough to make up for his limited offensive game.

so the only scenario that would work for anthony is one where there is a solid team already in place and he was acquired as a free agent. such a team might exist but none come to mind. the knicks back in 2010-2011 might have been the closest thing, ironically.

nothing worse than a player who has a higher opinion of his abilities than he should.

Papabear Says

Are you saying the 2010 Knicks with Gallo Wilson Chandler, no center would win a championship?? You must be kidding. I don't mean it in a sarcastic way. That was a 500 ball club healthy. We need to build around Melo. We need shooters, shooters and defenders. Melo have no one to make better on this team. When you talk of LeBron he will go down in history better than Jordan. Jordan was a great player but LeBron is a Friek of nature in a good way.

we were in rebuilding mode. felton would have been a stop-gap until we found a better point guard to work with amare. if amare goes down with bad knees at least you still have a better point guard than felton to set other players up properly. felton can't and i think you guys are finally beginning to see that. it's hard to believe that d'antoni waited two years, working with chris duhon, only to have a two-year cheap deal of felton to work with amare. amare wanted ridnour-- a fact that resonated to this day.

i never said contend for a title, did i? but we were heading to the playoffs as an 8th seed or perhaps we would have barely missed the playoffs. the 8th seed that year was indiana with a 37-45 record. remember that as of the trade we were 28-26. think about it: this means that we could have gone 9-19 the remaining 28 games and still made the playoffs! in my mind that would still have been acceptable because we were in rebuild mode not win-now mode.

Papabear Says

a 37 - 45 record what a joke!! and you was soooo happy. Well with that roster we had the only players we would be getting would be getting would be ex stars or we would have to give up something. Maybe Gallo ?? No one was breaking thier necks to come to the Knicks back then. Now I will not rule out Chris Paul comming to New York sooner than we think. I believe that we will get another star this summer because of Melo.That's if we move Amare or if we take a big tax hit and loading a contract on the back end. Anything is possible if you have money and Dolan sure have a lot of that. Look at the Lakers payroll. Kobe is making what some of the NBA whole teams payroll is