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Knixkik
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3/7/2013  10:48 AM
All this "blow it up" talk is really starting to get to me. This is a good team for the first time in many years, and we are probably the only fans screaming to blow it up if we don't finish in the top-4 in the league when it's all said and done. I for one am going to enjoy going into playoffs knowing we have a chance to win a series and expect this team to continue to improve. We can't keep making major changes, we have to take what we have and build on it. These players are under contract for only 2 more years, and at that point Melo will still be only 31. He is our building block and i will always believe we can build a championship with him. We must look for ways to get creative, draft right, and find that next hidden gem. Celtics were going nowhere with Pierce then found Rondo and built up assets to make big trades. Not saying that will happen, but between Shumpert, this year's pick, etc we have room for growth. Stay on course and enjoy success that this team hasn't had in many years. Enjoy having a player who can take over a game and value that instead of trying to dump it. If we don't win it all this year, so what? We have a chance to come back again next year improved.
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3/7/2013  11:38 AM
Well put, knixkik.

I'm interested to see this offseason who we add instead of JR SMIFF (will he re-sign?), Sheed, Cope, KMart, Priggy?, Dirty Kurty, possibly Camby and Kidd depending on them retiring. And as said by others, we really do need a little speed/durability to our roster.

Also, Renaldo Balkman is still on our caphit this year at 1,6 mil.

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3/7/2013  1:33 PM
Knixkik wrote:All this "blow it up" talk is really starting to get to me. This is a good team for the first time in many years, and we are probably the only fans screaming to blow it up if we don't finish in the top-4 in the league when it's all said and done. I for one am going to enjoy going into playoffs knowing we have a chance to win a series and expect this team to continue to improve. We can't keep making major changes, we have to take what we have and build on it. These players are under contract for only 2 more years, and at that point Melo will still be only 31. He is our building block and i will always believe we can build a championship with him. We must look for ways to get creative, draft right, and find that next hidden gem. Celtics were going nowhere with Pierce then found Rondo and built up assets to make big trades. Not saying that will happen, but between Shumpert, this year's pick, etc we have room for growth. Stay on course and enjoy success that this team hasn't had in many years. Enjoy having a player who can take over a game and value that instead of trying to dump it. If we don't win it all this year, so what? We have a chance to come back again next year improved.

Agree no rebuild. Lets see how it plays out and evaluate from there.

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3/7/2013  2:21 PM
Dont BLOW up the core...just throw away the old pieces that are on the bench rotting. Get rid of White, Cope, Prigs, Sheed, KMart, and Kurt. Replace them with younger talent (AJ Price, DCunningham). THe problem is they cant afford anything else but vet minimums
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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3/7/2013  2:30 PM
callmened wrote:Dont BLOW up the core...just throw away the old pieces that are on the bench rotting. Get rid of White, Cope, Prigs, Sheed, KMart, and Kurt. Replace them with younger talent (AJ Price, DCunningham). THe problem is they cant afford anything else but vet minimums

Exactly. So how do you propose they accomplish this without blowing it up?

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3/7/2013  2:31 PM
skeng wrote:Well put, knixkik.

I'm interested to see this offseason who we add instead of JR SMIFF (will he re-sign?), Sheed, Cope, KMart, Priggy?, Dirty Kurty, possibly Camby and Kidd depending on them retiring. And as said by others, we really do need a little speed/durability to our roster.

Also, Renaldo Balkman is still on our caphit this year at 1,6 mil.

Ahhhhhhh... a nice comfortable thread with actual Knick fans. Nice work fellas.

Agreed, skeng, +1 to knixkik

IMO, Sheed, KMart, KrazyEyes, Camby and Kidd are most likely toast, although Kidd might try another season here, mostly for the quality of the club chicks and booze. Prigs has already been reported as being not overly in love with the NBA. We will most likely have a lot of roster spots available at the end of this season.

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3/7/2013  2:39 PM
jrodmc wrote:
skeng wrote:Well put, knixkik.

I'm interested to see this offseason who we add instead of JR SMIFF (will he re-sign?), Sheed, Cope, KMart, Priggy?, Dirty Kurty, possibly Camby and Kidd depending on them retiring. And as said by others, we really do need a little speed/durability to our roster.

Also, Renaldo Balkman is still on our caphit this year at 1,6 mil.

Ahhhhhhh... a nice comfortable thread with actual Knick fans. Nice work fellas.

Agreed, skeng, +1 to knixkik

IMO, Sheed, KMart, KrazyEyes, Camby and Kidd are most likely toast, although Kidd might try another season here, mostly for the quality of the club chicks and booze. Prigs has already been reported as being not overly in love with the NBA. We will most likely have a lot of roster spots available at the end of this season.

Camby has 2 more years after this season. Kidd has 2 more years after this season. They are not going anywhere.

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3/7/2013  2:55 PM
I think the only valuable piece we have in trade options, besides expirings, are Shumpert and Felton (like him or not, he's making less money than he's worth). Then you have guys like STAT who could become tradeable if he doesn't get hurt this year and continues playing well. In addition, we have our first round pick and 3M a year in cash we could throw into deals. Finally, if JR signs an extension at the 5/6M range we'll be able to keep him for without hurting our cap, he becomes a tradeable asset as well.

We need to treat this years pick like it's gold. It's not a deep draft but there will be some players. We need to draft a PG or a shooter.

I think that if history has proven anything, it's that any contract is moveable. Even Kidd's, Camby's or anyone else's in conjunction with other pieces. I'd be surprised if either of those 2 make it to the end of their contract here.

The biggest need we have is a consistent shooter at the 2 or 3. As it stands now we're a contender in the East. We just need a bit more I think, although I'm not writing off a good run at it this year.

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3/7/2013  2:57 PM
Melo said no trades and this is the best team he's played on. Let's see what that translates too come spring
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3/7/2013  3:16 PM
MSG3 wrote:I think the only valuable piece we have in trade options, besides expirings, are Shumpert and Felton (like him or not, he's making less money than he's worth). Then you have guys like STAT who could become tradeable if he doesn't get hurt this year and continues playing well. In addition, we have our first round pick and 3M a year in cash we could throw into deals. Finally, if JR signs an extension at the 5/6M range we'll be able to keep him for without hurting our cap, he becomes a tradeable asset as well.

We need to treat this years pick like it's gold. It's not a deep draft but there will be some players. We need to draft a PG or a shooter.

I think that if history has proven anything, it's that any contract is moveable. Even Kidd's, Camby's or anyone else's in conjunction with other pieces. I'd be surprised if either of those 2 make it to the end of their contract here.

The biggest need we have is a consistent shooter at the 2 or 3. As it stands now we're a contender in the East. We just need a bit more I think, although I'm not writing off a good run at it this year.

I don't think there are any consistent shooters in this league....it's the system that makes them consistent.

Put Novak on another team, and he might break all NBA 3pt records....Similar to what he was doing when Dantoni and Lin was here.

It's hard for a shorter to find a rhythm when you have Melo, Smith and company playing iso (black hole) basketball.

During the beginning of the season, we were the best shooting team in the NBA. We were also the best passing team. Now we are terrible at both. The personal is the same, so what changed you ask? The only thing that changed was Melo going back to his iso days. Which forced the other stars to do the same, and share the ball less. Which resulted in a lower team shooting efficiency, and more turnovers.

It's hard to change a culture in one year.....Hopefully we are slowly changing back to winning basketball.....We'll see tonight.

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3/7/2013  3:28 PM
NYKBocker wrote:
callmened wrote:Dont BLOW up the core...just throw away the old pieces that are on the bench rotting. Get rid of White, Cope, Prigs, Sheed, KMart, and Kurt. Replace them with younger talent (AJ Price, DCunningham). THe problem is they cant afford anything else but vet minimums

Exactly. So how do you propose they accomplish this without blowing it up?

It's called being creative. Look at the Spurs with Green, Neal, Blair, etc. Stockpile late draft picks and select players with transferable skills, and search for diamonds in the bargain bin. It's hard but a lot easier than rebuilding. You can't find superstars this way but can definitely find good players. There will be plenty of players drafted in the 2nd round that become quality role players each year.

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3/7/2013  3:31 PM
NYKBocker wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
skeng wrote:Well put, knixkik.

I'm interested to see this offseason who we add instead of JR SMIFF (will he re-sign?), Sheed, Cope, KMart, Priggy?, Dirty Kurty, possibly Camby and Kidd depending on them retiring. And as said by others, we really do need a little speed/durability to our roster.

Also, Renaldo Balkman is still on our caphit this year at 1,6 mil.

Ahhhhhhh... a nice comfortable thread with actual Knick fans. Nice work fellas.

Agreed, skeng, +1 to knixkik

IMO, Sheed, KMart, KrazyEyes, Camby and Kidd are most likely toast, although Kidd might try another season here, mostly for the quality of the club chicks and booze. Prigs has already been reported as being not overly in love with the NBA. We will most likely have a lot of roster spots available at the end of this season.

Camby has 2 more years after this season. Kidd has 2 more years after this season. They are not going anywhere.

Camby has 1 more season guaranteed, he's essentially an expiring contract. We can add J O'Neal, Mozgov, or maybe other underutilized big men that should be available as well for minimum or close to it. We can replace Prig with a young PG via our first rounder. Add a quality big like Blair via mmle. Plenty of options and directions to go.

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3/7/2013  5:56 PM
I agree.Want to see how this season shakes out first. Stat is looking like his old self offensively, and then some. He actually might get some offers. Also want to see if Camby gets back to being one of the better rebounders in the league because that's been a problem this season. Novak can still turn things around, if he can't I'm sure there is a team that would be interested although not as interested as last season.
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3/7/2013  6:17 PM
fishmike wrote:Melo said no trades and this is the best team he's played on. Let's see what that translates too come spring

Melo was clearly feeling euphoric at the time of that statement. The Nuggs team that went to the western conference finals was better than this team.

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3/7/2013  6:35 PM
One thing this season though, we haven't had any drama. Maybe that's why this board is out of sorts...
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3/7/2013  7:30 PM
It's a decent team but it's nothing like you would expect it to be with a world beating superstar like Melo,

frankly, we already had a team of similar level when Amar'e and Felton and Gallinari were dropping buckets for us, I don't see much improvement

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3/7/2013  8:53 PM
IronWillGiroud wrote:It's a decent team but it's nothing like you would expect it to be with a world beating superstar like Melo,

frankly, we already had a team of similar level when Amar'e and Felton and Gallinari were dropping buckets for us, I don't see much improvement

Team of a similar level? That team was a .500 team prior to the trade. Were we 2nd in the EC? Of course not. Melo is the difference in that. He makes us a 50 win team and management must work to build this team into a contender with him.

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3/8/2013  5:26 AM
Add a competent 2 guard that can start and a back up big and you have a better team. I know it wasn't close but what of Ray Allen decided to come to NY instead of Miami. All those open shots by Kidd, Shump, Brewer, White, and JR in Ray Allen hands. More than likely he would have been guarded different but that also helps everyone else. Oh well.
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3/8/2013  8:14 AM
Knixkik wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
callmened wrote:Dont BLOW up the core...just throw away the old pieces that are on the bench rotting. Get rid of White, Cope, Prigs, Sheed, KMart, and Kurt. Replace them with younger talent (AJ Price, DCunningham). THe problem is they cant afford anything else but vet minimums

Exactly. So how do you propose they accomplish this without blowing it up?

It's called being creative. Look at the Spurs with Green, Neal, Blair, etc. Stockpile late draft picks and select players with transferable skills, and search for diamonds in the bargain bin. It's hard but a lot easier than rebuilding. You can't find superstars this way but can definitely find good players. There will be plenty of players drafted in the 2nd round that become quality role players each year.

You mean like Papanikolaou who we traded to Portland in the Felton deal for some reason?

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3/8/2013  8:40 AM
Knixkik wrote:
IronWillGiroud wrote:It's a decent team but it's nothing like you would expect it to be with a world beating superstar like Melo,

frankly, we already had a team of similar level when Amar'e and Felton and Gallinari were dropping buckets for us, I don't see much improvement

Team of a similar level? That team was a .500 team prior to the trade. Were we 2nd in the EC? Of course not. Melo is the difference in that. He makes us a 50 win team and management must work to build this team into a contender with him.

that's all assuming we will win 50 games this year, which will be very difficult, I outlined this in the "playoff picture..." thread,

50 wins I would be very happy and impressed

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