Posted by sebstar:

...the NY Knicks are in a quagmire worse than any point that i can remember

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BTW: You must have been stuck on an island somewhere during the Layden years...must have

LOL.. now THATS funny.

We certainly have some ugly contracts, all of which I blame on Layden. As bad as Penny is I will take him over Eisley any day. Also last I checked we have beaten some very good teams of late. Yes we laid an egg against Indy but did beat them at home just a couple weeks ago.

I see this team built around a great PG and versatile scorer in MArbury and TT both a venerable 27 years old. I see a guy you called "a must have" and someone that could "solidify the post for 10 years" getting better every game in Mike Sweetney. I have seen some nice flashes from Frank Williams, and I see a GREAT trading piece in a 26 year old Nazr whos at modest $5 mill is averaging 12/9 in under 30 minutes as a starter. In the short term I also see a couple old veterans in Deke and Penny that could come up big in the postseason for us. I also see a GM that puts a VERY high value on the development of young players and using the draft as a tool.

Are there obstacles? Of course. Will it be hard? Probably. Is there zero chance of improvement as some (ok one) would say? No way Jose.

Baker won us the Portland game... if Cle doesnt lose every game who knows how important that game is?

Baker had nice moments as a backup center and his post game will be needed if we advance or want to advance. The nice thing with a bench player like him is you have no obligation to stick with him.. but his upside can give you big minutes like he did against Mil or Port.

the bottom line is we have to much fat on the roster, to many guys you cant count on for long term growth and as dikembe showed, a dire need for an interior shot blocking presence or at the very least a legit C who can post up and take up space in the paint. the reason i have said swift is because he does bring that shot blocking ability with a nice athletic package and has the ability to be a 20-10-3 player. that being said, he isnt a 5--

we have to make a decision going forward who our 4 is who our back up 4 is--a plan to get a 5--the guard and forward positions are much easier to deal with--especially if you look at what dallas did. But SIZE in the post and athletiscm on the perimeter is how we improve. i dont think jamal crawford is worth using our time unless Chicago was willing to take KT in a sign and trade for the same length and $$$$

its nice to have depth, but its much better to have a consistent roster to build continuity and chemistry

Listen up! If you wanna take NY to the next level, you drive with Mo Diesel.... While all the attention is on Kobe, you back door with H20, Nazr and KT = Shaq Diesel cross country to MSG

Why mess around with small trades when its time to go jugular....Zeke has to do this before Nets move to BK.

Starbury
Penny
TT
Sweetney
Diesel

Be serious guy. The needle on the diesel's tank is nearly on empty.

Your needle is broken! Diesel may be getting older but there is no way his game is running on empty. By adding Shaq to Sweetney NY has just formed the best frontcourt in the East and the closest thing to instant championship.

Fish-nice post Briggs-calm down-while I don't question your knowledge of the talent available in the draft I do believe your knowledge about buildinga team is misguided. Every team team needs role players to plug in to spots like Penny who is quality utility man who can be plugged into three spots if necessary. I see Nazr as a quality backup in 2 spots, and KT also being a second cog in those two spots as well.

I see Marbury as the PG now and in the future with H2O starting now and becoming Reggie Miller going forward with a replacement coming in the draft unless Johnson developes as knick fans hope. TT can still develope as a star playing SF and Sweets has shown that he can be a major contributor at PF and dominate the boards.

All that being said the only problem area going forward is Center where there are so few quality all around big men to be had. But let us remember a team from the the midwest that won occasionally using a three headed monster with 18 fouls to give and they were less than stellar at 2 other positions.

In sum things are not as bleak as you (Briggs) paint and a healthy Houston (his injuries do not seem career threatening) makes the knicks competitive with any team. IT has built the foundation for now and going forward and it would not take much to put us in contention. The team is much more flexible, in terms of talent now than it was then.