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yellowboy90
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2/21/2013  10:19 PM

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324048904578318760886260482.html

Knicks Should Consider Plan B
Defenses Have Caught Up to New York, and Yet Nothing Changes; Kenyon Martin Is In, Brewer Out
By CHRIS HERRING

TORONTO—In the moments that followed their most embarrassing defeat of the season—one in which the offensively challenged Indiana Pacers embarked on a slam-dunk deluge and essentially scored at will—the Knicks spoke again of how they played without passion. They suggested things would have been different had they just shown a little more effort.

Perhaps delusion is part of the problem.

Over the past two months—a span in which the team has played .500 basketball—the Knicks have been a stubborn bunch that seemingly refuses to alter its game plan despite previous opponents having laid out a blueprint that details precisely how they can be beaten.

The Pacers' defense took advantage of that Wednesday, harassing the Knicks into the most difficult shots one play after another. The strategy was simple. They took away the Knicks' top offensive options: the pick-and-roll and one-on-one plays through star scorer Carmelo Anthony.

The Pacers lead the league in defensive efficiency and align themselves in a way that limits shots from the painted area and the 3-point line. They're often willing to surrender difficult midrange shots in between those spots, about 10 to 23 feet from the basket. As such, the Knicks went 6-for-20 from that distance in the loss, according to Hoopdata.

That wasn't coincidence; most teams have been able to take the Knicks out of their offensive preferences lately. According to Synergy Sports, the Knicks have run the pick-and-roll play, which tends to induce fluid ball movement, just 24% of the time in February, down from 28% in December. Additionally, they've created fewer isolation plays for Anthony, who's gone one-on-one just 21% of the time, a steep drop from 35% in December.

As a result, players are taking tougher shots. This month alone, 24.2% of the Knicks' attempts have come from 16 to 23 feet, up from just 19.4% prior.

Players are aware that defenses have caught up with them.

"They're looking at the scouting report," said guard Raymond Felton, whose production has fallen in February. "Teams figure out what you like to do early, and then you've got to do something else. Teams are taking [easy shots] away."

Most every team goes through a rut at some point. But the quality of the adjustments made during that span often determines which teams make it out of them.

Former Knicks coach Bob Hill was faced with one in 1996, when he led the San Antonio Spurs. Like this year's Knicks, they jumped out to a hot start, at 25-9, before going 11-9 over the next 20 contests.

At the All-Star break, Hill decided to discard plays he no longer felt were working. Shortly after, the Spurs went on a 17-game win streak en route to a 59-win season.

"You have to constantly look at things to see what's efficient and what's not, because most players won't do that on their own," said Hill, speaking generally.

But aside from a couple of minor deals Thursday—the Knicks traded away guard Ronnie Brewer for a future draft pick and signed free-agent forward Kenyon Martin as a backup—no adjustments appear to be on the way.

Coach Mike Woodson has been prone to let his ball-handlers go into the teeth of the defense when the offense goes awry, and he says a lineup change isn't in the offing.

Anthony didn't see the scheme changing, either. "We're going to continue running our sets," he said, adding that the Pacers debacle—the second time the Knicks lost in ugly fashion in Indianapolis—was just an off shooting night.

The stubbornness is apparent on the defensive end, too. And ironically, the Knicks are being battered with the same things they're no longer getting on offense: the pick and roll, and occasional isolation.

Repeatedly, opposing point guards in recent weeks have gone off on the Knicks, exposing the team's lack of lateral quickness there.

But the Knicks have shown they can counter. During a win in Boston last month, they held the Celtics to 86 points by using a 3-2 zone for 44 possessions. For whatever reason, though, they haven't used a zone more than three times in a game since then.

Woodson often bemoaned a lack of practice when asked about the Knicks' flat showings. But with just 50 games before the break—tied for the least of any team in that stretch—they actually had more free days than almost any other team to get things straightened out.

But even if they'd had more practice time, expecting that to fix things seems like the equivalent of putting a Band-Aid over a broken bone.

Going over the basics might help things in theory, but the body of work suggests that the Knicks would benefit more from developing a new approach.

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2/21/2013  10:40 PM
Woodson never made adjustments in the playoffs with atlanta, never made adjustments in the playoffs with the knicks..he will stick with something until he gets fired, only because he had past success and fels if it work before it can work again

Tyson, Felton and JR all mention that the knicks don't make adjustment, the first sign that his grip on the team is slipping

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2/21/2013  10:58 PM
This is perhaps my greatest fear about Woody. His lack of offensive creativity. If he can't come up with some new wrinkles it's gonna be tough to beat teams that have scouted and prepared for the Knicks. We have a very simplistic offense that lacks nuance and variation. Woody has to help the team to find different ways to attack teams and get high % shots. Teams will take away what you like to do, so you have to have a deep playbook and other options to go to.
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2/21/2013  11:08 PM
Infact were starting to look more like the hawks...52 wins with several embarrassing losses during the season, and a tough 1st rnd exit..
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2/21/2013  11:14 PM
I am confused as to why the teams we play can look

1) "at the scouting report," whose production has fallen in February. "Teams
2) "figure out what you like to do early"
3) thus "taking [easy shots] away."

But our Knicks:

- with a coach who has a defense first reputation and certainly talks that way,
- with Tyson Chandler who has been written up and spoken of by teammates as being a communicator and leader on defense
- Jason Kidd top 5 point guard all time and super high basketball IQ
- Veteran "my resume speaks for itself" (aka of course I'm better than Jeremy Lin)PG Raymond Felton

and all these other VETS

can't figure out how to do the exact same thing.

It's like we're a team of rookies except with old legs.

Is it simply a case of our guards being slow being the first domino in a chain of breakdowns?

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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2/21/2013  11:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/21/2013  11:35 PM
Did this article just imply we should ISO Melo more like we did in December and that our early season success wasn't/hasn't been sustainable because teams would figure/have figured us out?

I think very few of us were on to this early on, like when were 18-5 or 18-6 or whatever...

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2/21/2013  11:29 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:I am confused as to why the teams we play can look

1) "at the scouting report," whose production has fallen in February. "Teams
2) "figure out what you like to do early"
3) thus "taking [easy shots] away."

But our Knicks:

- with a coach who has a defense first reputation and certainly talks that way,
- with Tyson Chandler who has been written up and spoken of by teammates as being a communicator and leader on defense
- Jason Kidd top 5 point guard all time and super high basketball IQ
- Veteran "my resume speaks for itself" (aka of course I'm better than Jeremy Lin)PG Raymond Felton

and all these other VETS

can't figure out how to do the exact same thing.

It's like we're a team of rookies except with old legs.

Is it simply a case of our guards being slow being the first domino in a chain of breakdowns?

A few guys have posted it. The team doesn't handle adversity well. If the threes aren't falling and the team isn't getting calls it seems to get ugly quick. The sages on the team either aren't healthy enough to play or aren't having the impact that they did earlier in the season.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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2/21/2013  11:31 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:I am confused as to why the teams we play can look

1) "at the scouting report," whose production has fallen in February. "Teams
2) "figure out what you like to do early"
3) thus "taking [easy shots] away."

But our Knicks:

- with a coach who has a defense first reputation and certainly talks that way,
- with Tyson Chandler who has been written up and spoken of by teammates as being a communicator and leader on defense
- Jason Kidd top 5 point guard all time and super high basketball IQ
- Veteran "my resume speaks for itself" (aka of course I'm better than Jeremy Lin)PG Raymond Felton

and all these other VETS

can't figure out how to do the exact same thing.

It's like we're a team of rookies except with old legs.

Is it simply a case of our guards being slow being the first domino in a chain of breakdowns?

A few guys have posted it. The team doesn't handle adversity well. If the threes aren't falling and the team isn't getting calls it seems to get ugly quick. The sages on the team either aren't healthy enough to play or aren't having the impact that they did earlier in the season.

If what you say is right either the old guys get healthy or the season continues spiraling down

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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2/21/2013  11:35 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:I am confused as to why the teams we play can look

1) "at the scouting report," whose production has fallen in February. "Teams
2) "figure out what you like to do early"
3) thus "taking [easy shots] away."

But our Knicks:

- with a coach who has a defense first reputation and certainly talks that way,
- with Tyson Chandler who has been written up and spoken of by teammates as being a communicator and leader on defense
- Jason Kidd top 5 point guard all time and super high basketball IQ
- Veteran "my resume speaks for itself" (aka of course I'm better than Jeremy Lin)PG Raymond Felton

and all these other VETS

can't figure out how to do the exact same thing.

It's like we're a team of rookies except with old legs.

Is it simply a case of our guards being slow being the first domino in a chain of breakdowns?

A few guys have posted it. The team doesn't handle adversity well. If the threes aren't falling and the team isn't getting calls it seems to get ugly quick. The sages on the team either aren't healthy enough to play or aren't having the impact that they did earlier in the season.

If what you say is right either the old guys get healthy or the season continues spiraling down

For the most part I have really enjoyed this year. I missed the Philly game and TWC blacked out the first Rocket game but I did watch the last two loses and I am pretty discouraged. I hope the team reacts to what happened yesterday and it propels them for the rest of the season. They got embarassed in both of their last two games. I do think Kenyon helps a lot. Waiting for Sheed and Camby has been frustrating.
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2/21/2013  11:35 PM
I think this article shows a lot of things. It shows fans don't know as much as they think they know. We complain about ISo-MElo when it's not the problem but because it is convenient.

There are things that need to change. More PnR and not with Tyson. Amar'e PnR touches are almost non existent. Also, Tyson and Amar'e need to pass. When it comes to D. I don't have the strength. I like the effort to begin the game but that stop once the shots didn't fall.

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2/21/2013  11:39 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:I think this article shows a lot of things. It shows fans don't know as much as they think they know. We complain about ISo-MElo when it's not the problem but because it is convenient.

There are things that need to change. More PnR and not with Tyson. Amar'e PnR touches are almost non existent. Also, Tyson and Amar'e need to pass. When it comes to D. I don't have the strength. I like the effort to begin the game but that stop once the shots didn't fall.

ISO Melo was probably no more van glorious than ISO Joe in Atlanta with Woody there. ISO don't work come playoff time so yes you need a Plan B but an effective Plan B and Plan C and Plan D because all great teams adapt on the flip side one could say all great teams have such a potent Plan A they don't need Plan Bs Cs Ds.

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