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2/21/2013  9:17 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/21/2013  9:20 AM
Remember how many times we would play *inferior* teams and lose(while proclaiming we were better the 8 seed?)? The Knicks have an arrogance about them--for years now with no substance to back up the rhetoric.


Listen I dont want to pull any Rod Strickland for Mo Cheeks deals--but is there not a way we can improve this guard position? We spent so much money this offseason signing


$$$ Camby Kidd Wallace Prigionio Thomas Novak Brewer etc.. over 18mm $ and right now--other than Kidd for 30 games---this is the old way Knicks spent money. Some are saying we didnt do Lins contract because of money in hsi third year(not that we couldnt trade him after year 2 if really need to????) but I dont believe that anyway Kidd Novak and Felton cost 11 mm that year anyway.


Now we gave up the whole team and salary slots to get Carmelo Anthony---go get me a shooting guard who can SHOOT and Jermaine Oneal--give the fans who follow this team what it needs. Jason Kidd is hes going to do anything--needs to get two weeks off and moved into unit two as the primary PG back up--a facilitator rather than a 2. Lets go Grunwald Isiah or who ever is in charge---make something happen you sopent the money VERY poorly right now 18mm on what we have is an F


And Woodson shut up with the Rex Ryan BS. We cant beat Heat and I do not believe as constituted we can beat any top 4 team in east---no good team gets whipped as consistently as we do. Please stop you sound like an arse, Please be quiet--you and Melo shut up and just do what you are paid substantially for coach and play basketball. There is No Kevin Durant on this team--there is no Chris Paul. No one has earned the right to weigh in.

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2/21/2013  9:21 AM
I agree my brother
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2/21/2013  9:35 AM
Yes I was thinking the same after reading the Lin posts. The Knicks dished money on old instead of Lin. But that is not the point of this thread, the bed is made they need to address needs. O'neal is going to be let go the Suns, the Knicks need to get him. A move needs to be made I would put Amare back to the center position and trade Chandler and Shumpert and picks for big baby and Affalo. Or I would make a move for Eric Gordon And fillers maybe Anderson and possible picks.

I hate to move Chandler but I feel that Amare is a not a PF his production With the Suns mostly came from the Center position and same when he was putting up big number for the Knicks. It would be wise to put him at center.
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2/21/2013  9:39 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Remember how many times we would play *inferior* teams and lose(while proclaiming we were better the 8 seed?)? The Knicks have an arrogance about them--for years now with no substance to back up the rhetoric.


Listen I dont want to pull any Rod Strickland for Mo Cheeks deals--but is there not a way we can improve this guard position? We spent so much money this offseason signing


$$$ Camby Kidd Wallace Prigionio Thomas Novak Brewer etc.. over 18mm $ and right now--other than Kidd for 30 games---this is the old way Knicks spent money. Some are saying we didnt do Lins contract because of money in hsi third year(not that we couldnt trade him after year 2 if really need to????) but I dont believe that anyway Kidd Novak and Felton cost 11 mm that year anyway.


Now we gave up the whole team and salary slots to get Carmelo Anthony---go get me a shooting guard who can SHOOT and Jermaine Oneal--give the fans who follow this team what it needs. Jason Kidd is hes going to do anything--needs to get two weeks off and moved into unit two as the primary PG back up--a facilitator rather than a 2. Lets go Grunwald Isiah or who ever is in charge---make something happen you sopent the money VERY poorly right now 18mm on what we have is an F


And Woodson shut up with the Rex Ryan BS. We cant beat Heat and I do not believe as constituted we can beat any top 4 team in east---no good team gets whipped as consistently as we do. Please stop you sound like an arse, Please be quiet--you and Melo shut up and just do what you are paid substantially for coach and play basketball. There is No Kevin Durant on this team--there is no Chris Paul. No one has earned the right to weigh in.

But we got Melo, who according to many around here is a Kobe Bryant with a Dirk Nowitski jump shot. LOL.
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2/21/2013  9:41 AM
Vmart wrote:Yes I was thinking the same after reading the Lin posts. The Knicks dished money on old instead of Lin. But that is not the point of this thread, the bed is made they need to address needs. O'neal is going to be let go the Suns, the Knicks need to get him. A move needs to be made I would put Amare back to the center position and trade Chandler and Shumpert and picks for big baby and Affalo. Or I would make a move for Eric Gordon And fillers maybe Anderson and possible picks.

I hate to move Chandler but I feel that Amare is a not a PF his production With the Suns mostly came from the Center position and same when he was putting up big number for the Knicks. It would be wise to put him at center.

We were getting good production from Amare in the 2nd unit(for the most part). We have to be real with him as well. I do not believe he should be playing more than 24-26 minutes. If he does--well have the same problem with him again--why was he in there in the 4th????

If we can get Oneal--put him next to Chandler in the SL and find a SG and insert him---our second unit would be Amare Smith Novak and Kidd. Prigioni and Shumpert need to sit.

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2/21/2013  9:43 AM
We only have a few assets. Namely Shump, Melo, Tyson, Novak and maybe JR and Felton. Who would you like to trade BRIGGS?
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2/21/2013  9:49 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Vmart wrote:Yes I was thinking the same after reading the Lin posts. The Knicks dished money on old instead of Lin. But that is not the point of this thread, the bed is made they need to address needs. O'neal is going to be let go the Suns, the Knicks need to get him. A move needs to be made I would put Amare back to the center position and trade Chandler and Shumpert and picks for big baby and Affalo. Or I would make a move for Eric Gordon And fillers maybe Anderson and possible picks.

I hate to move Chandler but I feel that Amare is a not a PF his production With the Suns mostly came from the Center position and same when he was putting up big number for the Knicks. It would be wise to put him at center.

We were getting good production from Amare in the 2nd unit(for the most part). We have to be real with him as well. I do not believe he should be playing more than 24-26 minutes. If he does--well have the same problem with him again--why was he in there in the 4th????

If we can get Oneal--put him next to Chandler in the SL and find a SG and insert him---our second unit would be Amare Smith Novak and Kidd. Prigioni and Shumpert need to sit.

That's why you get O'neal, Camby and Wallace and get Big Baby back in return to give Amare all the help he needs.
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2/21/2013  9:54 AM
NYKBocker wrote:We only have a few assets. Namely Shump, Melo, Tyson, Novak and maybe JR and Felton. Who would you like to trade BRIGGS?

Novak's not an asset; he's making $4M/year for the next four years and he can't do anything unless he's completely wide open. JR is an asset but he has a no trade clause. After the way Felton's acted the last two seasons I doubt any team would be willing to take a chance on him.

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2/21/2013  10:02 AM
VCoug wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:We only have a few assets. Namely Shump, Melo, Tyson, Novak and maybe JR and Felton. Who would you like to trade BRIGGS?

Novak's not an asset; he's making $4M/year for the next four years and he can't do anything unless he's completely wide open. JR is an asset but he has a no trade clause. After the way Felton's acted the last two seasons I doubt any team would be willing to take a chance on him.

Novak is a limited asset. There is a team out there who would want to have him. I am sure Lakers wouldn't mind him. Same with the Rockets and Minny. He needs penetrating PGs.

JR is another limited asset but you make a great point about the no-trade clause.

Felton I think you might be right. We are stuck with him. Curse of the dragon?
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2/21/2013  10:07 AM
I think the knicks should sell high with Tyson Chandler....the numbers that he gets doesn't match the respect he has around the league....he's not that good from watching him on a daily basis....Knicks could replace him right now with Jermaine oneal.
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2/21/2013  10:08 AM
EnySpree wrote:I think the knicks should sell high with Tyson Chandler....the numbers that he gets doesn't match the respect he has around the league....he's not that good from watching him on a daily basis....Knicks could replace him right now with Jermaine oneal.

also if the lakers traded us Dwight for Amare like someone suggested in another thread....who would care about chandler anymore?

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2/21/2013  10:12 AM
Im just looking for something small. Big players like Chandler are not going anywhere. Can the Knicks go get Martell Webster who is on a 15 win team making 1.7? Can we get Oneal?


This is NOT a bad. But the big flaw here is we were a different team with Kidd and Wallace. I do not see that happening again--Kidd is laboring to get his shot to the rim and looks as slow as Ive ever seen him. Wallace is done.

So can the Knicks go get a SG and a PF on the cheap. That is the only avenue right now--Im not an advocate of a big trade. We just need to realize what we have lost and fill it back up. If we dont we might be a 5 or 6 seed when all is said and done.

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2/21/2013  10:19 AM
NYKBocker wrote:We only have a few assets. Namely Shump, Melo, Tyson, Novak and maybe JR and Felton. Who would you like to trade BRIGGS?

Yea lets trade only shumpert for dudley or redick and all problems are solved. This core needs a shake up
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2/21/2013  10:22 AM
Its Tyson and Novak for Dwight but LA isnt doing it because A) they want to keep Dwight B) they can get a hell of a lot more including a 1stbrd pick this yr
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2/21/2013  10:24 AM
If Jermaine O'neal is waived and we get him for nothing then great. Dont trade Shumpert. Let JR walk and sign Webster in the offseason
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2/21/2013  10:24 AM
That "We Can Beat the Heat" moment seems like such embarrassing vomit. This team comes into games expecting to win without trying and then has no problem with losing. Woodson is at fauly here for echoing the players' sentiment. They haven't proved **** yet to be jumping to say they can beat the heat. First beat Ind, Tor, Phi or any other host of teams that have beaten us lately.

Such garbage. These *******s better wake up. I can take losing but I can't take losing without effort or coaches favorite word, accountability.
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2/21/2013  10:25 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Its Tyson and Novak for Dwight but LA isnt doing it because A) they want to keep Dwight B) they can get a hell of a lot more including a 1stbrd pick this yr

They are stupid if they don't trade him. Houston is under the cap to sign Dwight as a FA. They should trade him for something now. I highly doubt Tyson and Novak will be enough though.
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2/21/2013  10:40 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:We only have a few assets. Namely Shump, Melo, Tyson, Novak and maybe JR and Felton. Who would you like to trade BRIGGS?

Yea lets trade only shumpert for dudley or redick and all problems are solved. This core needs a shake up

Totally agree, when JR is your second offensive option, you need more than just a few tweak.
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2/21/2013  10:51 AM
KnicksFE wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:We only have a few assets. Namely Shump, Melo, Tyson, Novak and maybe JR and Felton. Who would you like to trade BRIGGS?

Yea lets trade only shumpert for dudley or redick and all problems are solved. This core needs a shake up

Totally agree, when JR is your second offensive option, you need more than just a few tweak.

I have no idea how JR can be a second option. He is way to inconstant to be any kind of option. To me JR is in the category of anything he gives you should be gravy. You have Amare and as far as I'm concerned he is you next option. Woody needs to start him ASAP. How many slow starts must the team endure before he gets this. Woody is putting them In a hole before the game even starts and one thing we know about this team is that it is a front running team, there is no come from behind with this team. Because this team is a three point shooting team they can either shoot you in or out of a game usually when they are behind by double digit they are done. They get desperate to hit threes and that doesn't work out.
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2/21/2013  11:10 AM
there is no way to fix this team. we went all in without having much in the way of talent, and our pair of tens isn't going to get us far.

I'm not so sure this team the way they are playing gets out of the first round even with home court.
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