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This team is a PG injury away from a 1st round elimination.
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colorfl1
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2/11/2013  5:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/11/2013  5:36 PM
I think everyone by now recognizes how much an impact a healthy Felton and Kidd have on the prospects of this team.

Injuries and wear have exposed this team as woefully unprepared with a lack of a quick, penetrating and defensively tough PG to plug-in in the case of injury, or to contribute off of the bench against better teams.

I like Pablo against weaker teams, but against physical playoff teams, if either Felton/Kidd are injured playoff time we may be in for another 1st round exit.

Looking back at our PG weaknesses in the playoffs the last 2 years, it is shocking that this team was built without a young penetrating PG who can help close off the perimeter defensively.
This is a major vulnerability.

Who is available on the open market to secure this roster for any combination of the likes of Copland, Camby,Thomas, Brewer???

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2/11/2013  5:27 PM
Where are you possibly going to get a young pg to pair with Felton - who can penetrate, sees the floor great, plays good defense and only costs 8 or so mill a year? Oh wait...
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2/11/2013  5:32 PM
I wish the Knicks would have nabbed CJ Watson when he was available.
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2/11/2013  5:48 PM
I would have brought in Jonny Flynn...Give him a shot at the back up spot from the beginning..We need a guy to change the tempo and get in the lane...
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2/11/2013  5:51 PM
PG is the toughest position to fill. Drafting a good one this year is the only realistic solution
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2/11/2013  5:53 PM
holfresh wrote:I would have brought in Jonny Flynn...Give him a shot at the back up spot from the beginning..We need a guy to change the tempo and get in the lane...
I think Flynn is still available. Didn't someone post an article on him here recently?
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2/11/2013  5:56 PM
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holfresh wrote:I would have brought in Jonny Flynn...Give him a shot at the back up spot from the beginning..We need a guy to change the tempo and get in the lane...
I think Flynn is still available. Didn't someone post an article on him here recently?

Yeah..I have been following him from time to time..He should be tearing up the league down under(Australia) but just posting good numbers...He is one of the best players down there but hasn't really impressed NBA scouts...

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2/11/2013  5:58 PM
Flynn is playing pretty well in Australia 18pts, 40% fg, 6 assists, 4 rebounds
http://www.tigers.com.au/playerprofile/id/842

Not sure how that translates to the nba.

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2/11/2013  5:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/11/2013  5:59 PM
holfresh wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
holfresh wrote:I would have brought in Jonny Flynn...Give him a shot at the back up spot from the beginning..We need a guy to change the tempo and get in the lane...
I think Flynn is still available. Didn't someone post an article on him here recently?

Yeah..I have been following him from time to time..He should be tearing up the league down under(Australia) but just posting good numbers...He is one of the best players down there but hasn't really impressed NBA scouts...


Other leagues play way different than the NBA, but if the scouts aren't impressed there has to be a reason.

I would give him a shot next year though.

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2/11/2013  6:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/11/2013  6:03 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:Flynn is playing pretty well in Australia 18pts, 40% fg, 6 assists, 4 rebounds
http://www.tigers.com.au/playerprofile/id/842

Not sure how that translates to the nba.

He needs to average 28 & 12 and shoot 50% in AUS at the very least to get consideration

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2/11/2013  6:08 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:Where are you possibly going to get a young pg to pair with Felton - who can penetrate, sees the floor great, plays good defense and only costs 8 or so mill a year? Oh wait...

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2/11/2013  6:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/11/2013  6:26 PM
The team is really structured oddly, with key redundancies.

With Shumpert back we do not need White or Brewer.

We have 3 shooting guards with Kidd, Shumpert and Smith.
Camby, Wallace and Thomas all really command the same minutes. And with Stat coming of the bench, some of these pieces are expendable.

Some of these pieces need to be converted into a fast defensive point guard.
He does not have to be a great passer with either Kidd, Prigioni and Anthony available to share the floor.

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2/11/2013  6:39 PM
colorfl1 wrote:The team is really structured oddly, with key redundancies.

With Shumpert back we do not need White or Brewer.

We have 3 shooting guards with Kidd, Shumpert and Smith.
Camby, Wallace and Thomas all really command the same minutes. And with Stat coming of the bench, some of these pieces are expendable.

Some of these pieces need to be converted into a fast defensive point guard.
He does not have to be a great passer with either Kidd, Prigioni and Anthony available to share the floor.

Not really...Everyone has a role..Kidd's role is different from JR's role which is different from Shrump's role...Prig's ain't ready for what the NBA playoff can bring...We need Wallace in a bad way..He just changes the dynamic of everything...STAT will be starting soon as we get Wallace back and he can go 35 mins per...We have an old team on the bench so u have to have 2 or even three pieces where there is normally one...And don't discount the effect Kidd, Sheed and Camby have on the locker room...

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2/11/2013  7:09 PM
And the Miami Heat are a SF/LeBron injury away from a first round elimination. And the Thunder are a PG/SF away from a first round elimination. And if Jordan was never born Ewing and the Knicks would've taken home 2-3 titles. The Knicks are a PG injury away from a 1st round elimination. The Clippers are another CP3 injury away from a first round elimination.

Get the picture?

I personally can't wait for our Toronto game, then it's time to enjoy our All-Star weekend as the 1st place team of our Atlantic Division along with being the 2nd seed of the Entire Eastern Conference. Only 33 games away from winning our first Atlantic Division Title dating back to 1993-1994. 19 years ago.

For those of you who truthfully believe you've seen future Knicks energy/intensity come postseason play, you're wrong. The playoffs are another animal and when focused, watch out for these Knicks. Like Jason Kidd stated after our 8th game, the regular season is only a dress rehearsal for these Knicks. The regular season is a marathon, with goals such as winning your Division and/or competing for the #1 seed of the East. It's a marathon, not a quick race to the finish line. Woodson has to manage minutes and play specific players during the regular season, in which won't be getting many minutes come postseason play. We're making sure vets such as Thomas, Rasheed and Camby can be at full strength come postseason play. Still haven't unleashed Shumpert/Stoudemire. Amar'e will become a different animal come postseason play. His health is number one during the regular season. Woodson has already seen what Rasheed can do. No point of burning him before our strong postseason push (hopefully) post All-Star break. Same goes for Camby.

And no, the Knicks aren't a PG injury away from a first round elimination. Boston is also without their PG in Rondo. And no way Milwaukee can eliminate us even without Felton. Jason Kidd, Pablo, Iman Shumpert, J.R Smith, Carmelo Anthony, Amar'e Stoudemire, Tyson Chandler, Steve Novak, Rasheed Wallace, Marcus Camby, Ronnie Brewer and Kurt Thomas would still eliminate Boston with home court advantage, especially considering the fact Boston's now without Rondo. Come postseason play? They are dead.

But yea, what happens to Miami without LeBron? Thunder without Durant? Clippers without CP3? There are truthfully two players who our Knicks are done without. A.) Carmelo Anthony. B.) Tyson Chandler.

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2/12/2013  3:09 AM
Most teams have a player or 2 they can't live without. I'm not too concerned, although Kidd is a SG at this point and getting a guy with a handle and some athleticism would be nice. Always been a Johnny Flynn fan. Where's he at?
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2/12/2013  3:40 AM
tj23 wrote:Most teams have a player or 2 they can't live without.

Exactly, you can build a team, but no matter how hard they work and how much time and effort you put in, at the end of the day you're still reliant on luck or things out of your control. Last year Lin went down with an injury, then Baron Davis, and Shump- so you can have 3 PG and they can still all get injured!

Doom scenario's aside, do we need another PG on the roster? Obviously only very low tier ones are available- we're talking Sebastian Telfair types (who the Suns want rid of). If we traded Shumpert I would say we definitely have to add another PG. If not, I'm not really sure there's anything available that's good enough.

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2/12/2013  4:15 AM
NYKMentality wrote:And the Miami Heat are a SF/LeBron injury away from a first round elimination. And the Thunder are a PG/SF away from a first round elimination. And if Jordan was never born Ewing and the Knicks would've taken home 2-3 titles. The Knicks are a PG injury away from a 1st round elimination. The Clippers are another CP3 injury away from a first round elimination.

Get the picture?

I personally can't wait for our Toronto game, then it's time to enjoy our All-Star weekend as the 1st place team of our Atlantic Division along with being the 2nd seed of the Entire Eastern Conference. Only 33 games away from winning our first Atlantic Division Title dating back to 1993-1994. 19 years ago.

For those of you who truthfully believe you've seen future Knicks energy/intensity come postseason play, you're wrong. The playoffs are another animal and when focused, watch out for these Knicks. Like Jason Kidd stated after our 8th game, the regular season is only a dress rehearsal for these Knicks. The regular season is a marathon, with goals such as winning your Division and/or competing for the #1 seed of the East. It's a marathon, not a quick race to the finish line. Woodson has to manage minutes and play specific players during the regular season, in which won't be getting many minutes come postseason play. We're making sure vets such as Thomas, Rasheed and Camby can be at full strength come postseason play. Still haven't unleashed Shumpert/Stoudemire. Amar'e will become a different animal come postseason play. His health is number one during the regular season. Woodson has already seen what Rasheed can do. No point of burning him before our strong postseason push (hopefully) post All-Star break. Same goes for Camby.

And no, the Knicks aren't a PG injury away from a first round elimination. Boston is also without their PG in Rondo. And no way Milwaukee can eliminate us even without Felton. Jason Kidd, Pablo, Iman Shumpert, J.R Smith, Carmelo Anthony, Amar'e Stoudemire, Tyson Chandler, Steve Novak, Rasheed Wallace, Marcus Camby, Ronnie Brewer and Kurt Thomas would still eliminate Boston with home court advantage, especially considering the fact Boston's now without Rondo. Come postseason play? They are dead.

But yea, what happens to Miami without LeBron? Thunder without Durant? Clippers without CP3? There are truthfully two players who our Knicks are done without. A.) Carmelo Anthony. B.) Tyson Chandler.

Great point regarding those other Elite teams also being one key player away from a first round elimination. Point taken. My problem though that you allude to in bold above:

But after playing a bunch of mostly bad teams and winning most of those games, don't you think we'd get up for the Clippers? (Hard to believe we can now say that!)
Also, we have lost something like our last 5 or 6 games against our last 7 or 8 very good to great teams. This is concerning, it isn't all just about turning things up for the playoffs.
If anything, coast against crappy team and get up for the good ones but we don't see that. There is a reason we are ranked 10th... (Not saying I agree with that ranking, but there is a reason)

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2/12/2013  4:49 AM
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NYKMentality wrote:And the Miami Heat are a SF/LeBron injury away from a first round elimination. And the Thunder are a PG/SF away from a first round elimination. And if Jordan was never born Ewing and the Knicks would've taken home 2-3 titles. The Knicks are a PG injury away from a 1st round elimination. The Clippers are another CP3 injury away from a first round elimination.

Get the picture?

I personally can't wait for our Toronto game, then it's time to enjoy our All-Star weekend as the 1st place team of our Atlantic Division along with being the 2nd seed of the Entire Eastern Conference. Only 33 games away from winning our first Atlantic Division Title dating back to 1993-1994. 19 years ago.

For those of you who truthfully believe you've seen future Knicks energy/intensity come postseason play, you're wrong. The playoffs are another animal and when focused, watch out for these Knicks. Like Jason Kidd stated after our 8th game, the regular season is only a dress rehearsal for these Knicks. The regular season is a marathon, with goals such as winning your Division and/or competing for the #1 seed of the East. It's a marathon, not a quick race to the finish line. Woodson has to manage minutes and play specific players during the regular season, in which won't be getting many minutes come postseason play. We're making sure vets such as Thomas, Rasheed and Camby can be at full strength come postseason play. Still haven't unleashed Shumpert/Stoudemire. Amar'e will become a different animal come postseason play. His health is number one during the regular season. Woodson has already seen what Rasheed can do. No point of burning him before our strong postseason push (hopefully) post All-Star break. Same goes for Camby.

And no, the Knicks aren't a PG injury away from a first round elimination. Boston is also without their PG in Rondo. And no way Milwaukee can eliminate us even without Felton. Jason Kidd, Pablo, Iman Shumpert, J.R Smith, Carmelo Anthony, Amar'e Stoudemire, Tyson Chandler, Steve Novak, Rasheed Wallace, Marcus Camby, Ronnie Brewer and Kurt Thomas would still eliminate Boston with home court advantage, especially considering the fact Boston's now without Rondo. Come postseason play? They are dead.

But yea, what happens to Miami without LeBron? Thunder without Durant? Clippers without CP3? There are truthfully two players who our Knicks are done without. A.) Carmelo Anthony. B.) Tyson Chandler.

Great point regarding those other Elite teams also being one key player away from a first round elimination. Point taken. My problem though that you allude to in bold above:

But after playing a bunch of mostly bad teams and winning most of those games, don't you think we'd get up for the Clippers? (Hard to believe we can now say that!)
Also, we have lost something like our last 5 or 6 games against our last 7 or 8 very good to great teams. This is concerning, it isn't all just about turning things up for the playoffs.
If anything, coast against crappy team and get up for the good ones but we don't see that. There is a reason we are ranked 10th... (Not saying I agree with that ranking, but there is a reason)

We did get up for LAC. Especially our leader in Melo who was pure greatness throughout the first three quarters. We were only down 1 point heading into the 4th despite the fact that both J.R and Amar'e pretty much had awful performances. We fell apart during the 4th, that happens in basketball from time to time. I truthfully believe that we'll see a completely different Knicks team come postseason play, especially if both Shumpert and Stoudemire can not only remain healthy, but also improve/gain confidence as the season goes on. We're 32 games away from our playoff push come post all-star weekend. Amar'e can down right feast come playoff basketball. We didn't see that against the Clippers and Shumpert has yet to play 20 games after returning from injury. Being able to feature one of (or possibly both) Camby/Rasheed come postseason basketball can become something special. These men want rings in the worst way.

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2/12/2013  7:04 AM
And the Miami Heat are a SF/LeBron injury away from a first round elimination. And the Thunder are a PG/SF away from a first round elimination.

Sure, teams are dependent on their max contract players being healthy. It's amazing that an $80 mil veteran team is dependent on Raymond Felton though.
This team is a PG injury away from a 1st round elimination.

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