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CashMoney
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1/21/2013  1:21 PM
I've been called crazy for comparing Melo to Durant for some reason. For the life of me I can't understand what makes Durant an elite talent to be spoken in the same regard as Lebron. Yeah he went to the finals with the likes of Westbrook, Ibabaka and new Mr. Franchise Player James Harden.

As far as I'm concerned their games are almost identical. For example;

Duant vs Melo first 5 years in the league both at age 23

Durant
380 GP
FGA 19.1
FGM 8.9
FG% .468
3p% .364
FTA 7.9
TRB 6.6
AST 2.8
STL 1.2
TOV 3.1
BLK 1.0
PTS 26.3

MELO
379 GP
FGA 19.0
FGM 8.8
FG% .462
3p% .294
FTA 7.8
TRB 6.0
AST 3.0
STL 1.1
TOV 3.1
BLK .5
PTS 24.4

So what's the story. Durant in his 1st 5 years is now Mr. Elite but speak of Melo in the same regard and I'm a hopeless homer?

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1/21/2013  1:27 PM
It all is a matter of perspective. Depending on if you ask Barkley or an ESPN writer or Mitch Lawrence from NY post they all have a different opinion. There is one constant, neither one if them likes Melo or the Knicks.
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1/21/2013  1:27 PM
CashMoney wrote:I've been called crazy for comparing Melo to Durant for some reason. For the life of me I can't understand what makes Durant an elite talent to be spoken in the same regard as Lebron. Yeah he went to the finals with the likes of Westbrook, Ibabaka and new Mr. Franchise Player James Harden.

As far as I'm concerned their games are almost identical. For example;

Duant vs Melo first 5 years in the league both at age 23

Durant
380 GP
FGA 19.1
FGM 8.9
FG% .468
3p% .364
FTA 7.9
TRB 6.6
AST 2.8
STL 1.2
TOV 3.1
BLK 1.0
PTS 26.3

MELO
379 GP
FGA 19.0
FGM 8.8
FG% .462
3p% .294
FTA 7.8
TRB 6.0
AST 3.0
STL 1.1
TOV 3.1
BLK .5
PTS 24.4

So what's the story. Durant in his 1st 5 years is now Mr. Elite but speak of Melo in the same regard and I'm a hopeless homer?

I've been telling people this for years , it's a toss up between them, people just love Durant more because he's a quiet guy and plays for a small market team and Melo is well Melo , I will always love Melo's game more just for the fact that he can post up bang down low, and he never gets bullied.

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1/21/2013  1:28 PM
Come on man, base it on what Durant is doing this year, and last, take all the other years, and toss em.

I dont think the Thunder make it to the finals this year tho, can't say who will, but I dont think they will.
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1/21/2013  1:29 PM
advance statistics suggest that Durant is better and I think he is better offensively although I believe Durant is not as good as Melo is as a defender although Durant can Blk shots because of his length. IS Melo a great defender no is Durant no but if both locked in MElo is better imho. However I still believe is so much more efficient than MElo partly because of FTs and better accuracy.

Durant > Melo for me. IS it so much higher as people believe no but the margin could Grow as Durant keeps improving although if MElo keeps improving it could stay the same.
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1/21/2013  1:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/21/2013  1:43 PM
And if you compare Kobe to both of them first 5yrs Kobe would look like pure trash....
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1/21/2013  1:39 PM
I think Durant is better because he played on great teams much earlier in his career. Yes, Melo had some talent around him like Billups, but never a top 10 talent like Westbrook. In terms of offensive skill it's a toss up. Durant is a better long range shooter but Melo is a better mid-range and post up player.
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1/21/2013  1:40 PM
3G4G wrote:And if you compare Kobe to both of them first 5yrs Kobe would like pure trash....

Kobe came straight out of high school and came off the bench his first 2 years though

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1/21/2013  1:43 PM
26.3 points on 19 shots is far better than 24.4 on 19 shots. Imagine if we had, on average, almost 2 more points in every game Melo played in. Based on what I can find, about 3 or 4% of games go into overtime and and most teams lose about 3% of their games by a point. It's not gonna work out perfectly since there's variability in performance, but I'd imagine that that difference alone in scoring efficiency would translate into an extra 50 to 100 winning percentage points.
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1/21/2013  1:43 PM
3G4G wrote:And if you compare Kobe to both of them first 5yrs Kobe would like pure trash....

Up there they go. Every time someone talk about Melo someone has to pull Kobe out their jazz. Kobe Byrant this. Kobe Byrant that. Kobe alright but compared to Melo and Durant Kobe Byrant aint spit"

He beat Melo & Denver's arse

He did beat Melo's arse.
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1/21/2013  1:47 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:26.3 points on 19 shots is far better than 24.4 on 19 shots. Imagine if we had, on average, almost 2 more points in every game Melo played in. Based on what I can find, about 3 or 4% of games go into overtime and and most teams lose about 3% of their games by a point. It's not gonna work out perfectly since there's variability in performance, but I'd imagine that that difference alone in scoring efficiency would translate into an extra 50 to 100 winning percentage points.

The efficiency is overstated Durant is taking 10 fta's per game for Christ sakes, whereas on a nightly basis melo has to pick up or straighten his headband and get back on defense due to the same hit on a foul on a shot that isn't called.
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1/21/2013  1:49 PM
Mray20 wrote:
3G4G wrote:And if you compare Kobe to both of them first 5yrs Kobe would like pure trash....

Kobe came straight out of high school and came off the bench his first 2 years though


So did Lebron and? So did Garnett. Both went on to do great things as their careers progressed

Which suggest he wasn't as good as them entering the league but got progressively better...point is as a player advances through his career they prove to be what they prove to be. The difference here Durant will have a longer and more consistent level of ELITE level play along with efficiency...barring no major injuries. He'll more than likely be an NBA Champion and win many more scoring titles while making ALL NBA First Teams.

They aren't the same player not really close and all similar productivity is not created equal
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1/21/2013  1:58 PM
what the op DID WAS Take the first 5 years of their career and use that to help his case.. of course that takes into account any average years a player might have had early in their career.. but it doesn't make them the same player...lets look at them at age 23.. where they were at age 23... carmelo never was close then or now as a player... we are arguing who is better now.... and right now, at 23, durant is better than carmelo was at 23, 24,,25,26,27.........and on and on
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1/21/2013  1:59 PM
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:26.3 points on 19 shots is far better than 24.4 on 19 shots. Imagine if we had, on average, almost 2 more points in every game Melo played in. Based on what I can find, about 3 or 4% of games go into overtime and and most teams lose about 3% of their games by a point. It's not gonna work out perfectly since there's variability in performance, but I'd imagine that that difference alone in scoring efficiency would translate into an extra 50 to 100 winning percentage points.

The efficiency is overstated Durant is taking 10 fta's per game for Christ sakes, whereas on a nightly basis melo has to pick up or straighten his headband and get back on defense due to the same hit on a foul on a shot that isn't called.

The difference in FTA per game for the fist 5 years (the subject of this thread) is 8.0 vs. 7.8.
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1/21/2013  2:01 PM
They are very comparable players. I give Durant an edge over Melo overall but it is very close imo.
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1/21/2013  2:05 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:26.3 points on 19 shots is far better than 24.4 on 19 shots. Imagine if we had, on average, almost 2 more points in every game Melo played in. Based on what I can find, about 3 or 4% of games go into overtime and and most teams lose about 3% of their games by a point. It's not gonna work out perfectly since there's variability in performance, but I'd imagine that that difference alone in scoring efficiency would translate into an extra 50 to 100 winning percentage points.

The efficiency is overstated Durant is taking 10 fta's per game for Christ sakes, whereas on a nightly basis melo has to pick up or straighten his headband and get back on defense due to the same hit on a foul on a shot that isn't called.

The difference in FTA per game for the fist 5 years (the subject of this thread) is 8.0 vs. 7.8.

Damn, i thought this was current.

whoops, I'm out.
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1/21/2013  2:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/21/2013  2:09 PM
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:26.3 points on 19 shots is far better than 24.4 on 19 shots. Imagine if we had, on average, almost 2 more points in every game Melo played in. Based on what I can find, about 3 or 4% of games go into overtime and and most teams lose about 3% of their games by a point. It's not gonna work out perfectly since there's variability in performance, but I'd imagine that that difference alone in scoring efficiency would translate into an extra 50 to 100 winning percentage points.

The efficiency is overstated Durant is taking 10 fta's per game for Christ sakes, whereas on a nightly basis melo has to pick up or straighten his headband and get back on defense due to the same hit on a foul on a shot that isn't called.

The difference in FTA per game for the fist 5 years (the subject of this thread) is 8.0 vs. 7.8.

Damn, i thought this was current.

whoops, I'm out.

No prob
I accidentally included year 6 for Durant. It's actually 7.9 vs. 7.8.
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1/21/2013  2:11 PM
I don't get it op, this isn't baseball so I'll respect the efficiency argument fully. There is more than 27 outs in baseball, 46% vs 50% means nothing in this sport.

Durant is a freaky and is the more Athletic of the two, Melo is a better in the post and Iso. Durant is better, but not by a lot.

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1/21/2013  2:11 PM
3G4G wrote:
Mray20 wrote:
3G4G wrote:And if you compare Kobe to both of them first 5yrs Kobe would like pure trash....

Kobe came straight out of high school and came off the bench his first 2 years though


So did Lebron and? So did Garnett. Both went on to do great things as their careers progressed

Which suggest he wasn't as good as them entering the league but got progressively better...point is as a player advances through his career they prove to be what they prove to be. The difference here Durant will have a longer and more consistent level of ELITE level play along with efficiency...barring no major injuries. He'll more than likely be an NBA Champion and win many more scoring titles while making ALL NBA First Teams.

They aren't the same player not really close and all similar productivity is not created equal


Garnett and Lebron did not come off the bench their first 2 years my point is you can't compare Kobe's first years because of this fact
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1/21/2013  2:15 PM
Interesting look.

ALso, One thing that hurts Melo efficiency is his poor 3pt shot earlier in his career and low transition points. Durant, Wade, Lebron, Kobe, and etc usually have higher transition scores than Melo to increase their efficiency. Melo likes to trail for the 3 more times than not or bring up the ball for the 3.
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