3G4G wrote:If the absence of Felton and Sheed has us spiraling then the team wasn't put together very well. Melo said we're deep well it should show withstanding injuries

exactly.... he also said that this is the best team he has ever played with, guys he can trust... well now we are hearing fans starting to say, melo has no help... no shooters...

BroPez is a real talent.

I loved the game, it was close and defense was good for both down the stretch.

The comeback for the knicks was great and the defense was excellent the last 5 minutes. Nets have a problem in tight scenarios but Iso Joe came up big.

Loved the game, not happy with the loss. Melo is right, the team is deep and built for injuries to sustain.

Thought Melo's temper go the best of him.

Things should be with a better tempo once Felton comes back.

Amare is starting to look good. I like Melo's passing.

SupremeCommander wrote:was at the game - the percentages were **** all game. the consensus in section 203 was that the Knicks got drunker than the Nets during Sunday's football because that was a ****ty basketball game.

That's a very simplified explanation of what happened.

We've been drunk quite a few times recently since we are 7-9 over our last 16 games.

MinsHeartsReezy wrote:

3G4G wrote:

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3G4G wrote:I think when the Grizzlies made their first decent run in the playoffs they had no Rudy Gay and Mayo was pretty much getting spot minutes. I get tired of us always trying to use the injury excuse.

U are comparing 3 starters versus 1...At some point it's not an excuse...It's a reason...What team have U seen survive 3 starts going down at the same time??

What 3 starters are you talking about? The only guy who is injured right now who you could argue for is Raymond Felton. Wallace and Camby are not difference makers.

We were actually discussing the recent play of the Knicks and 3G mentioned the Knicks were playing poorly before Felton went down...Shump and Amare are not close to what they can be...Their time on court is still limited..So of course the last three weeks we didn't look like world beaters...

Appears to me this team wasn't put together that well then to sustain injuries. I for once would like to see us do what the Bulls have done for 3 seasons of missing players to significant injuries but look like the same team every night and still remain ELITE level at least during regular season. I could even mention the Spurs too but going with the Bulls for example.

2010-2011 they lose Noah/Boozer for a 1/3 of the season that's okay they win 60+gms(Best overall record East) and push their way to ECF

2011-2012 they lose Rose for 1/3 of the season Rip for over 1/2 a season both starters.... that's okay they win 50gms(Best overall record East) and gave the Sixers a legit first round fight but experienced more injuries

2012-2013 they lose Rose for 1/2 of the season that's okay they are 3gms back for best overall record in the East

Shumpert and Amar'e both look like they've come back too early from their injuries to be honest and aren't really helping the team maybe more so hurting it at this time. We have no time or room for injury excuses our window is extremely short and shrinks ever more as each game goes by.

Came back too early from their injuries? That's for the trainers to determine. Shump hasn't played since last year and STAT just came back a few games ago. Chemistry doesn't develop overnight. You speak as though you expect them to pick up right where they left off. Real life doesn't work that way. There will be an adjustment period. They need to get used to playing together. Melo/Stat chemistry has been improving over the last 3 games. Shump has to learn as he goes.

You say also that this team wasn't built to withstand injuries...do you realize we have yet to have a completely healthy roster and we're still 2nd in the east? How many different starting lineups have we had? The injuries are starting to catch up to us now because we're injured in areas we have the biggest need: PG play and rebounding.

What's our record w/and w/out Sheed?
What's our record w/and w/out Felton?

3G4G wrote:If the absence of Felton and Sheed has us spiraling then the team wasn't put together very well. Melo said we're deep well it should show withstanding injuries

17-5 before losing Sheed
21-8 before losing Felton

Without Felton & Sheed we're playing 0.500 ball.
0.500 ball is not quite as dramatic "spiraling" it's more like surviving. Kidd was never meant to be out starting PG. Cope came from the end of the bench. Like I said, losing Felton and Sheed exaggerates our two biggest weaknesses: ball handling and rebounding. You can't expect zero dropoff from starters vs. bench and when you have injuries to your best players. Zero-dropoff is the ideal, but unrealistic, keeping things close enough to be in a position to win is realistic. The very act of defining a starter vs bench/role player tell you that the starters are superior. Injuries are no excuse when it comes to playing hard, but do they have an effect on the game? Unquestionably, the answer is YES. And whether anyone believes it or not does not qualify whether or not injuries effect the game, win or lose.

What happened today that Brookyln out rebounded us and had much better ball movement and were shooting 3's as if they were the Knicks. On the other hand we didn't shoot well at all but we played well enough to take it to the last possession. Give credit to the Nets. They deserved the win.

Temper your expectations people. This team isn't perfect, nothing is, but we're far from bad.

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Vmart wrote:

Anji wrote:Yeah I see no reason to panic at a tough at a hard fought loss. I think the knicks are better than most when we have our starters.

I also believe we could be better than all with a couple moves.

The team is losing at home. If the team loses at home you know the NBA is even more brutal on the road.

Teams are coming into the Garden knowing they can win, that is disgusting, then talking shyt on the way out.

We are 14-6 at home, I would calm down with this. This team with it's key players back is better than most.

The coach is calling them soft.

And 14-6 isn't exactly great when compared to teams that think they are contenders.

What was good:

Amare played with patience and poise. NO turn overs! 6 rebs in 26 min is not terrible for him. His defense was ok and the ball movement was good. He is finding rhythm in his outside shot.

JR got hot.

Turnovers kept low kept us in the game.

JR got hot.

We shut down the Nets for 5 min down the stretch. Both teams got tired. Knicks had one game all week.

Have to live with:

Shump is offensively tentative and won't attack the rim yet. He has to get confidence and go hard. He is not doing that. Will just have to play back into his old self and we might not see that for a while if at all this season.

Kidd inconsistency. He giveth and taketh.

Copeland is not that good. Nice player but some nights if his outside game is off his penetration has to be there. he looks slow on TV.

The bad:

Shumps hair. Mrs. Nalod thought it looked too gimmicky. she asked if he the one who wears gold shoes. Let his game draw attention. This should be the least of our problems.

Reliance of Sheed. If Sheed is our savior then we are fragile. Sheed should be a bonus.

The result:

Series tied 2-2 and a rivalry is being born. I hope we get them in the playoffs. It was a great series this year.

Props to the resident N*yets lover for also being slightly subdued, although "loved the game, not happy with the loss" is a clear sign of a potentially serious psychological conflict. Certainly proof positive that we obviously aren't the same person.

I hated the game, hated JJ, and hated BroPez for his defensive prowess. Respect has been earned. I hope Woody runs them ragged and bloody today. Jet lag, indeed.

jrodmc wrote:I applaud the Melohaters for their restraint. Quite refreshing. Especially after spending most of yesterday re-reading the Nuggets game thread from last month. Not much to love when Youtube Melo provides no 4th quarter points.

Props to the resident N*yets lover for also being slightly subdued, although "loved the game, not happy with the loss" is a clear sign of a potentially serious psychological conflict. Certainly proof positive that we obviously aren't the same person.

I hated the game, hated JJ, and hated BroPez for his defensive prowess. Respect has been earned. I hope Woody runs them ragged and bloody today. Jet lag, indeed.

Your lumping my Net history and confusing it with current Net Love. For 35 years they were nothing to me. What you don't get perhaps is that I don't hate them. I follow them and root for them is they don't play KNicks. I know I should be rooting for the to lose so knicks can stay in first place but knicks themselves can keep them in first by taking care of themselves. Said that day 1 Bro. DOn't lump Bro.

I have watched 5 whole Net games. 4 were against the Knicks. Saw them play Boston in Boston and win despite Rondo's antics.

KG even told Deron his wife tasted like Peperoni cheese "Hot Pockets". Said Iso Joe wife tasted like fish taco's. Said Bropez's girl tasted like Pad Thai. KG when he retires should have his own cooking show on the "food channel":

Cooking with KG! "a guide to food and the basketball wifes they taste like!"

gunsnewing wrote:

Nalod wrote:I hope we get them in the playoffs. It was a great series this year.

I hope we make the playoffs

Always a ray of sunshine, guns.

Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:I applaud the Melohaters for their restraint. Quite refreshing. Especially after spending most of yesterday re-reading the Nuggets game thread from last month. Not much to love when Youtube Melo provides no 4th quarter points.

Props to the resident N*yets lover for also being slightly subdued, although "loved the game, not happy with the loss" is a clear sign of a potentially serious psychological conflict. Certainly proof positive that we obviously aren't the same person.

I hated the game, hated JJ, and hated BroPez for his defensive prowess. Respect has been earned. I hope Woody runs them ragged and bloody today. Jet lag, indeed.

Your lumping my Net history and confusing it with current Net Love. For 35 years they were nothing to me. What you don't get perhaps is that I don't hate them. I follow them and root for them is they don't play KNicks. I know I should be rooting for the to lose so knicks can stay in first place but knicks themselves can keep them in first by taking care of themselves. Said that day 1 Bro. DOn't lump Bro.

I have watched 5 whole Net games. 4 were against the Knicks. Saw them play Boston in Boston and win despite Rondo's antics.

Don't understand how I could be unclear on your feelings about the N*yets. All of the above is just so... crystal. So sorry.

Like a very wise man once said to me: