what say you ?

gunsnewing wrote:JR because of his contract. We will probably lose JR in the offseason though

I hope we do lose him,

Guy that shows up in contract year is a huge red flag, I guarantee that JR will come down to earth as soon as the ink dries on the fat deal,

Loving the ride this year, enjoying the crazy dunks and game winning shots, but we shouldn't be the team to pay him big money

Woodson found his surrogate son and reclamation project, and vice versa with Earl Smith Jr.

He's a local kid that had some bad history, bad raps, bad behavior etc.

People need second chances in life, why not JR and why not on the Knicks?

Way different players, positions, role, contract, character.

Jr. is better than Marshon Brooks is the closer arguement if any.

Wallace and the trade
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Wallace plays more SF/PF and during his younger years could easily defend 4 positions aside from Center
There simply isn't anyone that can defend Lebron better than Wallace in the draft
MKG and Barnes, maybe are the best defenders at the position but neither has the ability to play some PF
I think it was a great trade by both team's considering their positions

Damian Lillard is a complete steal as, he will likely win ROY *possibly with Davis together at best as CO-ROYS*, but Net's had "Deron" in their mind and NOT rebuilding
Drummond is going to take a 2-3 years to develop but I am very surprised he was not drafted higher due to his potential
Now looking at it, *which is impossible to predit* if they did could get back considerably "fair" value for one of the TOP rated All Star PG's
King's made 2 huge mistakes, taking Thomas, over Lilliard/Drummond that is similar in potential/ceiling/size with Jason Thompson
They are 2 complete different players that could have changed the fate of the King's in last year's draft
Had King's not picked him, he would have most likely reminded me of how Jordan Hill dropped in his draft

JR Smith, the Knick's, and Smith's value/comparison's
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Smith plays SG/SF but actually play's some PG too for us this year

He has completely elevated his game and could defend 3 positions with PG/SG being his advantages
Smith offensively is somewhere between Jason Terry/Lou Williams/Crawfords/OJ Mayo but with much better DEFENSE and that is why he should get payed much more than them

but

Defensively, this year, and his improvements in facilitating/creating for other's should earn him a big raise with some serious All Star votes for the first time of his career
Nicholas Battum, although plays the same positoin in SG/SF and is a player with much more size/length, is another player that can get some comparisions on some ways
It is very likely that we would not be able to come close to retaining Smith with 5m to offer, especially since Smith has never got a big contract and he is playing the best he ever has in his entire career
Is he just going to be this consistent like this for his following years or is he closer to a 1 year stint during his contract year?
Time will tell, but, someone will pay him 8-12m per year, depending on the size of the contract, because of all the FA's in 2015, some teams might not want to give him that many years

For all the people that are saying that JR Smith would be over payed if over 5-6m per year, are not basing it on what he has accomplished this year but his previous years
JR Smith will get serious consideration in the All Star game this year and that says a lot to his production this year
Whether he continues to play at this level and how he plays in the play offs/with how far the Knick's go, are going to be the final factors of his next contract

What exactly is over paying? Is Melo, *especially if he opts out 1 year earlier in 2014 summer* going to worth a Joe Johnson extension at about 25m per year for 130m for 5 years?
This would cripple us financially, our flexibility, and FA's that we can put together in 2015
As great as Melo is playing, he is not worth that type of money and commitment, and that is the difference between Lebron/Durant vs Melo
I would much rather have Rudy Gay at a starting salary of about 15m than a 25m in Melo

Scoring: Big Ass CHECK
Rebounding: Better than average CHECK
Passing: Better than Average CHECK
Defense: Big Ass CHECK

The only players with a more complete game than JR are the most elite in the league and he has a more complete game than some of them. I will even say he has a more complete game than Melo.

Gerald Wallace is a good player, a good defender but, his game is FAR from complete.

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:JR because of his contract. We will probably lose JR in the offseason though

How can we be so sure we're going to lose him if we have his early bird rights? Can someone explain how us losing him would be out of our control?

The early bird rights allow us to offer up to $5mil despite being over the cap. Someone will offer him $7,8, 10mil and he will be gone

JR is an unrestricted free agent. It's not the same early bird rights we had for Lin and Novak who were restricted. They were picked up off of waivers which gave us the right to match any deal

Knicks might match. Most teams don't have the ability to offer a 'poison pill' year like Houston did. Also, JR's brother Chris is still around the Knicks all the time. I think it might be a package deal but I expect JR back. Cope and Prigs maybe gone after this year.

Knicks can match only up to $5.5mil. JR will be unrestricted