smackeddog wrote:Nope- I thought before hand that JR would be out partying, but he played great. Brewer, Kurt, Prigs and Novak played poorly but they don't seem the partying type. Melo played great, no way Amar'e would risk partying with his debut the next day. Only player who might have would be Kidd. I think it's just lack of practice, fatigue and injury that are to blame.

We are the oldest team in NBA and so having all injuries in the world to old players and to not-so old who should compensate for slow legs around them.

Any other current evidence about the present Knicks would be welcome. Otherwise, this thread title is pure garbage.

misterearl wrote:Absolutely. Spree was busted for playing his music too loud.

Any other current evidence about the present Knicks would be welcome. Otherwise, this thread title is pure garbage.

I read that spree article- cant believe you get put in jail for playing music in your own home during the holidays!

playa2 wrote:Come on Mr Earl, being successful in NY can bring out the worst in some
not all athletes. Everybody knows where the parties are in NY, but they also know how to keep a low profile. JR admitted his this is not the norm, players usually wait until they finish playing to spill all their dirty laundry.

The way he shot last night (0-5), it appears that Steve Novak was out partying too much.

Our designated shooter makes just one shot and we beat Portland.

Just one.

playa2 wrote:If Kidd is considered a leader (coach on the court) and he can run his Escalade into a telephone pole and into the woods around 2 a.m in the morning. He was drinking too much before the season even started.

Then I bet he was the perfect soldier for the most part, but not that he's settled in and the knicks got off to a great start old habits could have crept up on him.

playa - this speculation is a waste. Why? Because these are professional athletes and not a boys choir. These are everyday people with everyday flaws. They are guaranteed to make mistakes, just like we all do. If any player decides to attend one party during the eight month marathon of the season, who are we to question their choice as grown azz men? We are not a team of felons. They are just a group of young/older men.

So long as they are never late for practice, stay away from illegal substances, shady characters and are nice to their moms', I could care less where they hang, what they consume or who they screw.

misterearl wrote:Wild And Crazy Guys

playa2 wrote:Come on Mr Earl, being successful in NY can bring out the worst in some
not all athletes. Everybody knows where the parties are in NY, but they also know how to keep a low profile. JR admitted his this is not the norm, players usually wait until they finish playing to spill all their dirty laundry.

The way he shot last night (0-5), it appears that Steve Novak was out partying too much.

Our designated shooter makes just one shot and we beat Portland.

Just one.

I don't think I mentioned Novak, I was more concerned about slow starts, that where the partying could come into play.

misterearl wrote:The National Enquirer

playa2 wrote:If Kidd is considered a leader (coach on the court) and he can run his Escalade into a telephone pole and into the woods around 2 a.m in the morning. He was drinking too much before the season even started.

Then I bet he was the perfect soldier for the most part, but not that he's settled in and the knicks got off to a great start old habits could have crept up on him.

playa - this speculation is a waste. Why? Because these are professional athletes and not a boys choir. These are everyday people with everyday flaws. They are guaranteed to make mistakes, just like we all do. If any player decides to attend one party during the eight month marathon of the season, who are we to question their choice as grown azz men? We are not a team of felons. They are just a group of young/older men.

So long as they are never late for practice, stay away from illegal substances, shady characters and are nice to their moms', I could care less where they hang, what they consume or who they screw.

Never said these guys were felons or not normal human beings, what we are addressing here is unusual slow starts for a professional basketball team located in NYC.

We all know players are normal, JR said he knew he was so good that he could get away with it and still show up.

New Years Eve and road trips can easily turn into a fun time for pro athletes, some know how to mask it better than others.

I don't think Woodson changed his no nonsense approach , but maybe some of the players changed some of their professional dedication.

Let's agree to disagree, NYC is not a city that many professional athletes can handle during a season.