3G4G wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Woody really drew up some smart ones.

Father Figured they'd go in

The Melo one was actually a good shot and the best they will get in that situation. Our best chance to tie.

Like it or not.

The JR one? Eeeeeesh.

24sec left plenty of time. Could have played for the 2 so I beg to differ that was the best shot he could get, especially since the basket prior to he went to the hole for an And1.

Typical Hero Ball type of shot

But as we've been told when you need someone to take the last second shot when the game is close you better have a Carmelo Anthony...

I hope fans are letting it sink in as I've always maintained....WE DON'T WANT TO PLAY GAMES WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO A LAST SECOND SHOT

Instead I want to be leading the game by a few possessions if possible. Last second shots at best you're going to convert about 30% of them and those are of the elite players, which means you're clanking most for losses.

When Melo has 45% of our points, is shooting 68% from the field, 45% from 3, has 7 rebounds and 4 assists, you have to try really hard to blame him for this loss.

SO what I'm saying is, thanks for trying really hard. Ur effort isn't going unnoticed. hater.

Killa I'm not blaming him at all FACT remains he could have taken a better shot. Also by pointing out the last second who do you want to have ball in hands mantra is more of an indictment on fans feeling that's the end all to be all if you have a player capable of coming through in Hero form.

I've always argued I don't want games coming down to last seconds shots. I think Jordan made a commercial saying he missed more game winning shots than he made. Are they memorable when converted, are they blissful, are they exciting? Yes but you want a game in hand because a team has played it fluidly throughout. We didn't tonight and lost. Melo gave everything he had just came up short and if it wasn't for him we probably never come back and remain blown out for the duration. Next time if it comes down to that I want to see him get off a better shot.

I guess all the current NBA players are channeling Kobe and not Jordan.

Kobe is all about hero ball and everyone is gaga over him.

Papabear wrote:

dk7th wrote:om my god did melo get away with a carry or what

Papabear Says

Damn ! Who's side are you on???

i am on the side of good basketball, which means defense and teamwork, and lets add here that leadership is important too. where's the leadership?

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:So the gameplan every game is too get our ass kicked in teh first half and then have to claw back and come up short good plan woody

Don't forget chuck minimum 30 3s

uh ....

I think thats how Portland won.

Portland has no player who can create off the dribble consistently except maybe Lillard and he's a rook. Portland is also barely above .500. If you look at the teams in the Top 15 at 3FGA/gm you'll find some crappy teams to mediocre teams listed

You live and die by the 3. Portland had control the whole game and yet the game was still in the wane of decision.

Put the agenda aside and lates talk real basketball....Portland shot 50% from the field and outrebounded us by 10....Thats why we lost. Portland scored over 100pts which is how much we gave up in each of our last 5 losses I believe...

Agreed I don't think Portland won by game planning for 3ball play. At the same time we need to stop chucking up so many 3s and play better in the other areas of the game you mentioned.

If you haven't noticed in Nov we were shooting 44-46% from 3pt range as a team. The past month we're shooting about 36% as a team, which has us at 39% overall. Yes our 3pt shooting is a growing issue especially if a team is already poor at rebounding and we're missing more of them.

You are right about about 3 point % declining over the weeks, With that said, I'm more concerned with our defense or lack thereof. Remember that putrid offensive game we had against the Pacers at the garden? We shot 7-25 from 3 and still won the game comfortably. Why? We hald them to 39% shooting and 76 pts.....The sooner we realize its defense and rebounding that is going to help us win ball-games the sooner we can stop nit-picking at an offense that still put 100pts on the board....

Our defensive effort was better around that time, although the Pacers were pure trash that game offensively. If you haven't noticed the Pacers have been playing much much much much much much better since.

Yes our defense needs major addressing. PPA/gm continues to rise and out FG% allowed is rising. We're a pretty crappy defensive team all the way around right now.

dk7th wrote:

Papabear wrote:

dk7th wrote:om my god did melo get away with a carry or what

Papabear Says

Damn ! Who's side are you on???

i am on the side of good basketball, which means defense and teamwork, and lets add here that leadership is important too. where's the leadership?

our DPOY should answer that question

also since felton is out we need to see kidd, prigioni, melo, and stat work pick and roll a lot more.

mrKnickShot wrote:not angry.

SMH

thats all.

Chandler had 1 defensive rebound. ONE (not angry)!

He got killed in the PNR

Can't block a shot

Does not box out

Can't do anything other than dunk

WE NEED HIM TO PLAY DEFENSE. Melo should get blame when he stinks offensively and Chandler should get roasted when he sucks defensively.

No free passes.

TeamBall wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:not angry.

SMH

thats all.

Chandler had 1 defensive rebound. ONE (not angry)!

He got killed in the PNR

Can't block a shot

Does not box out

Can't do anything other than dunk

WE NEED HIM TO PLAY DEFENSE. Melo should get blame when he stinks offensively and Chandler should get roasted when he sucks defensively.

No free passes.

I agree with all of this and hes been doing it for a while now. Its just that the rest of the team joined him recently.

He is the defensive captain. Of course they will follow. However, lets look at the players:

JR - playing great defense
Melo - very solid defense
Kidd - old - what did we expect?
Brewer - awful - he should sit. Again, he is a min player. Next body ...
Felton - bad defense
Priggy - decent defense. far better than I/we expected
Novak - what did you expect? He always sucked on defense

Who is the issue really?

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Papabear wrote:

dk7th wrote:om my god did melo get away with a carry or what

Papabear Says

Damn ! Who's side are you on???

i am on the side of good basketball, which means defense and teamwork, and lets add here that leadership is important too. where's the leadership?

our DPOY should answer that question

well we already know that quicker point guards are going to kill us even with felton in there, and good 3-point shooters are going to kill us too. we have not closed out the 3-point shot for weeks now and we are starting to falter. chandler is not the primary person to look at for those two things. good rebounders like hickson are chandler's primary concern and yes he needs to get it together there.

i wonder where the complacency comes from...

ha!

Melo! I knew it - just could not put my finger on it.

Chandler has been horrible but never mind since that does not fit .......

mrKnickShot wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:not angry.

SMH

thats all.

Chandler had 1 defensive rebound. ONE (not angry)!

He got killed in the PNR

Can't block a shot

Does not box out

Can't do anything other than dunk

WE NEED HIM TO PLAY DEFENSE. Melo should get blame when he stinks offensively and Chandler should get roasted when he sucks defensively.

No free passes.

I agree with all of this and hes been doing it for a while now. Its just that the rest of the team joined him recently.

He is the defensive captain. Of course they will follow. However, lets look at the players:

JR - playing great defense
Melo - very solid defense
Kidd - old - what did we expect?
Brewer - awful - he should sit. Again, he is a min player. Next body ...
Felton - bad defense
Priggy - decent defense. far better than I/we expected
Novak - what did you expect? He always sucked on defense

Who is the issue really?

See now im confused. You said "no free passes" in your previous post and you're now giving Kidd, Felton, and Novak free passes on defense. The only one I'd let slide is Novak considering he was not signed to play defense. But we both agree that Tyson was signed to play Defense and he just puts no effort into it for some reason.

mrKnickShot wrote:dk,

one more thing, please tell me why we needed to constantly bring a double team to help Tyson on DA? Our DPOY needs a hard early double? REALLY?

you mean aldridge? if you do, aldridge is a clever player-- underrated but maybe in the west he is overshadowed a bit. and lets face it dpoy notwithstanding we all know that chandler is foul prone. he is also not that strong-- he gets pushed around quite a bit because he lacks lower body strength.

and yes carmelo's personality has an affect on the team. i guess if he is going to be an mvp candidate he needs to be a little hungrier and a little bit angrier. no?