At his age, I think Kidd playing many minutes in general would be bad for him to finish games.
What makes it worse is that Felton is out and he has to play the PG and DEFEND the PG.
He is just asked to do too much and Pablo is closer to a 3rd string PG than a back up, also without the ability to penetrate, quickness, etc.....

I think Kidd can play SOME minutes at PG but mainly at SG to preserve his legs and more importantly, his health for the post season.
It would affect his shot, DEF, and overall performance, as he should not asked to do what he did 10 years ago.

With all the injuries, I think Kidd is just being asked and is trying to do too much, we saw how he ran out of gas in the final minutes of the heart break loss.
If Felton continues to stay out, we have to find a way to keep Kidd more efficiently, and not have too much duties/minutes.
It doesn't help that Melo is also out of the lineup, he plays some point/forward as well, in addition to spreading the floor, our post up option, and having our opponents DEF focused on stopping Melo first.

With that said, we don't have a player that has that same respect that Kidd has and has the ability and IQ to facilitate for the team.
We have to bring back the attention and focus on DEFENSE, especially since Camby looks like he can give us quality minutes with Tyson resting.

With our injuries, we are not going to be very pretty on some nights, and be flat out horrible on others offensively

BUT

OUR DEFENSE must always be there as our #1 PRIORITY along with our PRIDE

I think somewhere along the line, we loss focus and concentrated on shooting 3pter's, and movement off the ball as options, most importantly, forgetting what Woodson's philosophy is built on.

For instance, if we have a lockdown defenders in multiple position, it would allow us to help each other much more, while being effective and efficient.
Speed/Quickness, being able to stay in front of our opponents, is probably more important than SIZE in today's NBA game

While we do not have the 2nd shot blocker/defender that can team up with Tyson Chandler at the F spot to allow the help DEF/SHOT BLOCKING to come elsewhere makes us less predicable
Tyson Chandler himself, is not a GREAT shot blocker, he is a SMART DEFENDER, but he is not near what a player like Noah brings.
It would be great to have another defensive elite PF/C shot blocker like a Ibaka, that can team up with Chandler and be able to spread the floor.

Adding a PG, consistent SF production, and a PF gives us the versatility and depth we need defensively to allow us to alter our defensive sets/strategies/philosophies vs different teams

Problem is mostly, these type of player do not have the abilty to spread the floor and work offensively.
Unfortunately, we do not have this type of player like a AK47, JJ, even Amir Johnson/Ed Davis, that can be used in different matchup's situations to change our DEFENSIVE abilities/philosophy with the extra shot blocker.

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Rasheed Wallace at his age is no longer mobile/quick enough to play the PF defensively consistently.
Same for Kurt Thomas, Amare, and unless Camby can turn 10 years back

Novak and Copeland both do not have the ability to defend MOST small forwards, especially starters.
They both have better chances at defending the PF than any other position.
Copeland might even be better off defending the C on some nights

This was why Houston was able to take advantage of us, they are just a bad match up for us because we cannot defend too many players on their roster.
We have problems because we needed help to easily for each position, vs

1)Harden
2) Lin
3) Chandler Parsons

All 3 can penetrate, handle the ball, and can hit the 3pter

While Tyson Chandler is the only one that can put a body on Omar Osik, especially when he rolls.

4) Osik

5) whoever is in, is a shooter, so the man defending him cheats, he will have a open look

PG
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Putting Jason Kidd at the PG is a mismatch against us
Felton even has problems defending PG's, he would probably also do better on SG's with his strength and speed/quickness advantage.
Our best defender is Iman Shumpert if healthy on this position, if possible even put JR Smith to put pressure on this position
His ability to create HAVOC, every other position plays the passing lanes very well, so if Iman returns to his former self, it would allow us to dictate our DEF and focus much better

SG
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Jason Kidd can defend most SG's but putting him on SG's that can shoot and penetrate/handle the ball is a tough match up
However, this is the best position for Kidd to play effectively and efficiently, as the 2nd ball handler/spot up shooter, and we cannot worry about the % of SG's that Kidd cannot defend

JR Smith currently is our best defender at the G/F position

SF
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This is the position that we have been very inconsistent in since Brewer's injury
We need consistency and we need it to come from someone outside of JR Smith/Melo because they need their stamina to focus on other responsibilities, including scoring, facilitating

PF
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Melo at the PF, on some nights, requires help defensively, but he is quicker than most PF that have the ability to bang him, which is fine if he every other position can more or less hold their own. But believe it or not, his DEF actually has excelled since playing the PF position because Melo is a good rebounder, and is very strong. When he defends the SF, many times in the past, he likes to cheat and go for the RB, leaving a man open that has the ability to hit the wide open shot.

Center
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Tyson Chandler, when he helps as one of our guys get beat, NO ONE has the ability to defend his man.
Melo at the PF gives us many advantages but this is one of our negatives that we just have to learn to adapt to, but have to fix for situation lineups

Amare, at least last year, not only could not hold his own, but required help, and does not put himself in position to help back Tyson Chandler when he helps him or another....
Physically, he is much slower and not mobile at all vs his past seasons, Mentally, he is not smart or react quick enough defensively and to put himself in rebounding/defensive position with timely cuts.
Melo at the PF, DEFENSIVELY does not get enough credit for what he brings to the team, along with the effort and top shape he has brought this year.

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Depending on how the season progresses maybe Shumps can be in there, but right now Kidd is there. Not too many teams going to be able to handle a Felton,Shumps,JR perimeter though.

Only then can our Knicks reach full potential, so I will FROM THIS DAY ON refuse to argue with anyone about which position should Amar'e play or which position will Melo play or which position is Kidd?

of course the other side of this position-less basketball theory is that hybrid players or tweeners have taken over the nba in the last 12-15 years. whether this is a good or bad thing for the game is moot since these are the facts on the ground.

and then there has been the advent of advanced statistics that reveal a good deal about the true effectiveness of a player and how he may contribute to winning over and above the traditional boxscore and stat sheet.

yellowboy90 wrote:

dk7th wrote:interesting take on position-less basketball.

of course the other side of this position-less basketball theory is that hybrid players or tweeners have taken over the nba in the last 12-15 years. whether this is a good or bad thing for the game is moot since these are the facts on the ground.

and then there has been the advent of advanced statistics that reveal a good deal about the true effectiveness of a player and how he may contribute to winning over and above the traditional boxscore and stat sheet.

But some advance statistics are still using old models of position basketball which gives more credits to a certain position than others.

give me examples so i can understand what you mean better.

Bonn1997 wrote:Basically, Kidd is our best SG but he is also our best PG

+1

Nevertheless, I still want him on the court at all times since his is by miles our best PG