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12/12/2012  9:00 AM
(I may have it backwards) Melo likes to opperate on the right elbow. Amare likes to opperate on the left elbow. I don't know where Tyson likes to position himself.

Anyone who loves the tactical side of baskteball and can give great explanation. How does it work where they can compliment each other in there sweet spots becoming an unstoppable duo where if you double one, one of the 3 will get you?

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12/12/2012  9:13 AM

a real discussion!

I suppose we have read so much how they won't mesh together we have yet to see much written about how it could!

Funny, 16-5 kind of supports it as they have done far better a part then together!

I think this teams ceiling is much higher if a talent like Amare can not just mesh, but lift the level of play higher!

IF Amare is to post more is that more 2-2 with Melo? Is Tyson sitting and Amare at the 5? Is amare to shoot more form the outside?

Im excited to see how they plan on using him! I expect some pains as well.

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12/12/2012  9:29 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:(I may have it backwards) Melo likes to opperate on the right elbow. Amare likes to opperate (operate) on the left elbow. I don't know where Tyson likes to position himself.

Anyone who loves the tactical side of baskteball and can give great explanation. How does it work where they can compliment each other in there sweet spots becoming an unstoppable duo where if you double one, one of the 3 will get you?

the reason it wasn't working last year was because Amare's jump shot went south while he stayed in the north. If his jumper had been working, it would have opened up the other parts of his game. Also, with the death of his brother, I'm not sure how focused he could be after that.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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12/12/2012  9:30 AM
also, 18 & 7 isn't too bad
the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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12/12/2012  9:34 AM
DurzoBlint wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:(I may have it backwards) Melo likes to opperate on the right elbow. Amare likes to opperate (operate) on the left elbow. I don't know where Tyson likes to position himself.

Anyone who loves the tactical side of baskteball and can give great explanation. How does it work where they can compliment each other in there sweet spots becoming an unstoppable duo where if you double one, one of the 3 will get you?

the reason it wasn't working last year was because Amare's jump shot went south while he stayed in the north. If his jumper had been working, it would have opened up the other parts of his game. Also, with the death of his brother, I'm not sure how focused he could be after that.

Good Point. In 2010 Amare's jumpshot was automatic and last yaer maybe because of injuries/weight gain the jumpshot disappeared. If Amare can knocl down shots when he comes back that would be huge for us
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12/12/2012  9:45 AM
Besides easing into the lineup and shaking off rust, once fully healthy, Amare needs to be primary screener for Raymond to develop that Pick and Roll chemistry that he and Chandler have. That and we'll see if his Hakeem training was money well spent on the left block.
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12/12/2012  10:42 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:Besides easing into the lineup and shaking off rust, once fully healthy, Amare needs to be primary screener for Raymond to develop that Pick and Roll chemistry that he and Chandler have. That and we'll see if his Hakeem training was money well spent on the left block.

I think this will be an adjustment Ray and Prigs will have to make, and it may not be pretty at first. Chandler is a great screener right now, and the defender always seems to get caught up in the pick. If I remember correctly, Amare loves to slip the pick...alot. This will be interesting to see how long it takes to get it right.

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12/12/2012  10:48 AM
Andrew wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Besides easing into the lineup and shaking off rust, once fully healthy, Amare needs to be primary screener for Raymond to develop that Pick and Roll chemistry that he and Chandler have. That and we'll see if his Hakeem training was money well spent on the left block.

I think this will be an adjustment Ray and Prigs will have to make, and it may not be pretty at first. Chandler is a great screener right now, and the defender always seems to get caught up in the pick. If I remember correctly, Amare loves to slip the pick...alot. This will be interesting to see how long it takes to get it right.

Felton and Amare were pretty open about their already established chemisty from their prior play together.

I cant wait... I know Amare may not be the player we first signed, but he's going to bring something and I expect it to be good. Especially considering our bench has been Knicks weakness and Sheed's shooting makes me miss Jamal

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12/12/2012  11:00 AM
fishmike wrote:
Andrew wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Besides easing into the lineup and shaking off rust, once fully healthy, Amare needs to be primary screener for Raymond to develop that Pick and Roll chemistry that he and Chandler have. That and we'll see if his Hakeem training was money well spent on the left block.

I think this will be an adjustment Ray and Prigs will have to make, and it may not be pretty at first. Chandler is a great screener right now, and the defender always seems to get caught up in the pick. If I remember correctly, Amare loves to slip the pick...alot. This will be interesting to see how long it takes to get it right.

Felton and Amare were pretty open about their already established chemisty from their prior play together.

I cant wait... I know Amare may not be the player we first signed, but he's going to bring something and I expect it to be good. Especially considering our bench has been Knicks weakness and Sheed's shooting makes me miss Jamal

yup. Felton and Kidd will make Amare look awesome. Hell, even prigs will benefit if he's runs with the 2nd unit. The 2nd units major weakness is there is no established scorer there. JR Smith is the closest thing and he's to unreliable.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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12/12/2012  11:48 AM
At the very worst, having Amar'e back brings back a big man who can stay on the court and create spacing because he can hit the open 13 to 18 foot jump shots. This will make it easier for Tyson and Felton to do the pick and roll and for Melo or the other guards to operate one on one.

At the best (Somewhat doubtful but somewhat hopeful) he will come back as a smarter beast, hit the shots, play smarter in the post and operate the pick and roll duties while Tyson sets the screens for the guards off the ball. Not going to happen.. I know.. but I am hopeful.

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12/12/2012  11:55 AM
While they are in the game together Amar'e plays the role as the mid range/ mid long range shooter ala Kevin Garnet. Also, its not about Amar'e and Melo working opposite sides its about them working on the same side and working off each other in the post and off of PnRs. Remember right after the trade the offense put up points and worked effectively without a penetrating guard(billups) and with bigs like Turiaf and Williams. Amar'e like Chandler needs a PnR Pg and he now has two plus a very good PnR 2 and 3.
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12/12/2012  3:08 PM
How about a triple screen at the top of the key with Felton. Amare and Melo can fade to there sweet spots while Chandler rolls hard to the basket. And the ball goes to whoever the PG gets switched on to?
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12/12/2012  3:24 PM
I think having a point guard who can make decisions and passes like this consistently will bring out the best in Amare where he doesn't have to work so hard. I just don't see how it can't work. Especially if Amare's Jumper is back like Melo's has returned to him. Now I do believe that during the game they both need some time where they have court to themselves is needed. Amare is such an efficient scorer. He needs some time where he is the focus. that can eliminate that time that we usually suffer while Melo sits and the team looks lost offensively.

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12/12/2012  3:34 PM
It's never been Melo and Amare, it's always been Amare and Tyson. Can't have those 3 on the floor at the same time for long stretches offensively.

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12/12/2012  3:40 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:It's never been Melo and Amare, it's always been Amare and Tyson. Can't have those 3 on the floor at the same time for long stretches offensively.

Which might be easier to understand and fix actually since Tyson gets in such quick foul trouble at times.

The key still is Amare's mid range jumper. If it is on then all problems go out the window. Look at all the open looks Kurt gets. Imagine if that open look has a threat for a pump fake and drive. Also Amare has to be a willing passer. No need to force into bodies anymore with so much offensive talent on this team.

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12/12/2012  4:07 PM
FoeDiddy wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:It's never been Melo and Amare, it's always been Amare and Tyson. Can't have those 3 on the floor at the same time for long stretches offensively.

Which might be easier to understand and fix actually since Tyson gets in such quick foul trouble at times.

The key still is Amare's mid range jumper. If it is on then all problems go out the window. Look at all the open looks Kurt gets. Imagine if that open look has a threat for a pump fake and drive. Also Amare has to be a willing passer. No need to force into bodies anymore with so much offensive talent on this team.

Agreed on Stat's Jay. His innablitly to sink the midrange Jay allowed the opposition to crowd the paint last year. Would love to see Melo and Stat run some PNR's together when Felt goes to the bench. Kidd can sit weakside wing in case the weakside defender sags to help. Chandler on the weakside baseline for clean up purposes.

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12/12/2012  4:25 PM
It's not that Amar'e and Tyson can't work together. They aren't a great fit mainly because Tyson isn't really a post up C. This means that Tyson and STAT basically do the same thing in the offense and that is run PnR. So Woody wants to change that up a bit and put STAT in the low post some. Which should help to open things up and avoid congestion. Then when either Tyson or Amar'e are in their alone you can go back to normal offensive sets that we've been using. BAsically whoever the PG calls up to set the Pick, the other big moves down to the baseline to the low post position. Not right in the middle of the paint but just off to the side so he isn't in the way of the high PnR, but can be ready to receive a dump off pass if the defense shuts down the High PnR play. Of course you could have the low post man flash to the basket too depending on what the defense does.

Also you can run high PnR from the elbow area where STAT likes it and have Tyson lurk baseline waiting for a pass too. The main thing is that guys have to know when to move and clear out space as the play develops. You can't have guys just standing around clogging up space. Ball and Player movement is key. We didn't have any of that last year in the playoffs against the Heat. Guys just stood around and watched.



Here we see the Knicks weren't actually working together. No ball movement, spacing or player movement. Just an ISO for Melo. The defense is not having to work at all. Instead Melo takes a bad long 2, which is his lowest % shot. This year we don't see the Knicks doing this as much anymore. Now the spacing is right, guys are moving and the ball is moving. STAT should fit right into that. With MUCH better PG's, they should be able to execute and make it work much better this year. With both Felton and Kidd playing at the same time you can have a PnR tandem on the strong side or the weak side at any time. They just have to run it.

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