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EnySpree
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3/27/2004  9:03 AM
He is a throw back big man and Chaney should be put to trial, sentenced, and put to basketball death for not giving Sweetney playing time.

Gotta love Sweetney....if Sweetney was playing in the begining he might be the starter by now.
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3/27/2004  9:40 AM
I give Chaney a little wiggle room here. Remember, Sweets lost his mom just prior to training camp and the guy probably came in out of shape and a little distracted.

I just don't see why he isn't getting playing time of OH in the first half of games. TOR was the second game in a row with that.
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3/27/2004  10:28 AM
I agree with Martin on the Sweetney deal. Hopefully, Lenny can capitalize and rotate more minutes for Sweetney and Demarr as well.
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3/27/2004  10:38 AM
Why is Lenny so into OH. Sweets is so obviously better, even today, and has so much more upside. He's usually our best big man on the court when he's in. Can see argument for keeping his minutes from getting too out of hand, as he's an energy player who doesn't look to be in great shape. But we've got to get him some first half minutes, even if we're saving the bulk of his time for the 2nd half.
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3/27/2004  10:45 AM
Posted by bernard:

Why is Lenny so into OH. Sweets is so obviously better, even today, and has so much more upside. He's usually our best big man on the court when he's in. Can see argument for keeping his minutes from getting too out of hand, as he's an energy player who doesn't look to be in great shape. But we've got to get him some first half minutes, even if we're saving the bulk of his time for the 2nd half.

This is the only reason I see Lenny using OH:

OH does have a post move, and especially against certain defenders, whether they are smaller or just bad post defenders, he can get his shot off. Everyone knows it is coming, but he usually does get a half-way decent hoist up. Lenny cannot count on Marb to carry the whole load, and DerMarr and Baker just don't provide the consistancy. OH is just another offensive option.

Maybe he has told OH and Sweets this: I am playing OH in the first half, get ready. I will come with Sweets in the second to provide hussle and that intangible rebounding effort when Marbury is dominating the ball. Be ready.

OH DOES give 110%. Coach has to reward for that.

Just my guess though.
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3/27/2004  10:54 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by bernard:

Why is Lenny so into OH. Sweets is so obviously better, even today, and has so much more upside. He's usually our best big man on the court when he's in. Can see argument for keeping his minutes from getting too out of hand, as he's an energy player who doesn't look to be in great shape. But we've got to get him some first half minutes, even if we're saving the bulk of his time for the 2nd half.

This is the only reason I see Lenny using OH:

OH does have a post move, and especially against certain defenders, whether they are smaller or just bad post defenders, he can get his shot off. Everyone knows it is coming, but he usually does get a half-way decent hoist up. Lenny cannot count on Marb to carry the whole load, and DerMarr and Baker just don't provide the consistancy. OH is just another offensive option.

Maybe he has told OH and Sweets this: I am playing OH in the first half, get ready. I will come with Sweets in the second to provide hussle and that intangible rebounding effort when Marbury is dominating the ball. Be ready.

OH DOES give 110%. Coach has to reward for that.

Just my guess though.
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3/27/2004  11:02 AM
A 21 yo should have enough stamina to put in 10-12 minutes in first half and then be ready for 15-20 in 2nd. OH is strictly and offensive option who should be pulled after he misses a couple of j's. Outside of his occasional offensive production, he's just a body on the court.
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3/27/2004  11:05 AM
Othella should be on the bench just incase one of the frontcourt players gets injured. Othella is a guy you can count on to come in right away and fill the role.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/27/2004 13:04:52]
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3/27/2004  11:38 AM
enyspree: you are funny man, but I agree, this was the whole problem with the layden regime. They did nothing to develop their young talent, I am talking about Frankie, sweets and even lampe. This is why this team was in such dissaray, no plan by layden and chaney, just excuses..

BTW didn't sweetney lose his dad and not his mother...
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3/27/2004  11:47 AM
i have a feeling thomas is going to do some draft day trading. this draft is stacked. i think every draft is going to be stocked every year until they put an age limit on it. there are at least 15 very talented prospects and probably 5 big sleepers every draft - too many highschoolers/college/internationals for there not to be.
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3/27/2004  12:45 PM
Posted by Caseloads:

i have a feeling thomas is going to do some draft day trading. this draft is stacked. i think every draft is going to be stocked every year until they put an age limit on it. there are at least 15 very talented prospects and probably 5 big sleepers every draft - too many highschoolers/college/internationals for there not to be.
you eyeing the draft too case? there should be at least 4-5 good big men in it, plus a few quality athletes.
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3/27/2004  2:02 PM
Posted by daddynel:
Posted by Caseloads:

i have a feeling thomas is going to do some draft day trading. this draft is stacked. i think every draft is going to be stocked every year until they put an age limit on it. there are at least 15 very talented prospects and probably 5 big sleepers every draft - too many highschoolers/college/internationals for there not to be.
you eyeing the draft too case? there should be at least 4-5 good big men in it, plus a few quality athletes.
this draft will be huge but most of the players wont pan out for a few years...

by the way, when is jonathan bender going to play, when reggie retires?

if they win it all this year, i think reggie goes. if they dont, he'll be back next year. i think the lake show is going to win it all this year if healthy.
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3/27/2004  2:33 PM
I've been one of the biggest Sweetney backers on this forum. The guy just needed minutes to do what he's been doing. Now he's used to being out there, has a feel for the flow and is letting the game come to him. His rebounding ability is outstanding...a quick leap with excellent timing, the wide body and strength to box out, and relentless hard work.

As I've posted before, I'd like to see Lenny have more confidence in Sweets. Sweets sometimes makes one mistake and gets pulled. OH goes out there, gets an offensive foul, turns it over, hacks a couple of people and stays out there. There is nothing OH really brings that is better than what Sweetney offers. If you post up Sweetney he can deliver. He was a much better and more versatile offensive/post up player at Georgetown than Harrington was when he was there. Harringtons def. has the experience edge there right now, but if he's comes out off he doesnt help at all.

With Sweets its about confidence. The more he goes out there the better he gets...its that simple. He was as NBA ready as any rook in this class. He's already flashing that he could lead the league in rebounding if he was a starter...
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3/28/2004  3:14 AM
more importantly, we need to build sweetneys confidence and experience. He should be able to eat up most of the 2nd squads, provide a post presense, provide energy, + offensive rebounding.
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3/28/2004  10:03 AM
Posted by RonRon:

more importantly, we need to build sweetneys confidence and experience. He should be able to eat up most of the 2nd squads, provide a post presense, provide energy, + offensive rebounding.

That's the Key. If The Knicks keep Sweetney and Frank that would be a real rare thing. Knicks just don't develop players. Isiah seems like he's really focusing on that with all the coaches he hired.

It's a good feeling to have, you know. The Knicks are really looking like a team instead of a money machine. Respectability is bliss.
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3/28/2004  11:34 AM
as good as frank williams can be, he is one of our more wanted or appreciated assets. With the minutes we provide for him and starbary playing 30-40minutes a game, i ask myself 3 questions...

Is there a need for frank williams?
Would it be better to keep him under those rare minutes and long practices, hoping he develops into something special then trading one of our pgs?
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package him right now in hopes of that player closer to the title?
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3/28/2004  12:43 PM
everyone here knows how much I love Frankiebaby but ever since we got Marbury there's no place for him on this team right now. So if we're going to get Rasheed I hope Sweetney is not involved. Just Frank and co. It will be best for Frank. However, there will have to be a third team involved because Detroit already has Billups. Bottomline is I want Sheed because he will make us a 50win calibur team but i don't want to give up Sweetney. If Sweetney is what it takes, then I don't want Sheed. Please Listen Isiah!
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3/28/2004  4:56 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

everyone here knows how much I love Frankiebaby but ever since we got Marbury there's no place for him on this team right now. So if we're going to get Rasheed I hope Sweetney is not involved. Just Frank and co. It will be best for Frank. However, there will have to be a third team involved because Detroit already has Billups. Bottomline is I want Sheed because he will make us a 50win calibur team but i don't want to give up Sweetney. If Sweetney is what it takes, then I don't want Sheed. Please Listen Isiah!

cool
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3/28/2004  5:46 PM
Honestly I would like to have stromile swift, he is younger, more athletic and his game looks as if he is ready to take off... I like him better than sheed..
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3/28/2004  5:59 PM
thats cool too. I would problably play Swift at center though
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